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Intolerance within the confines of a "tolerant" society?

 
 
maxdancona
 
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Reply Sat 16 Aug, 2014 07:04 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
I 'm bringing out the point
that this shud be limited to apply only against MALE adults,
not to interfere in any good luck that a boy like I was
gets with the ladies. If that had happened, I 'd have been infuriated
and defended the ladies.


Why should this (the statutory rape laws) apply only to Male adults?

Laws based on gender are fundamentally unjust, aren't they?

OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 16 Aug, 2014 08:04 am
@maxdancona,
DAVID wrote:
I 'm bringing out the point
that this shud be limited to apply only against MALE adults,
not to interfere in any good luck that a boy like I was
gets with the ladies. If that had happened, I 'd have been infuriated
and defended the ladies.
maxdancona wrote:
Why should this (the statutory rape laws) apply only to Male adults?
I agree with the statutory rape laws, with their filosofy,
insofar as thay apply in restraint of adult MALES,
not females. Lemme put it this way: on the outside of me,
I 'm fatter n uglier than I was when I was a kid,
but inside, I 'm still the same kid and I 'm LOYAL to the kid I was.
I choose against speaking or acting in a manner
that I 'd have deplored back then. I will not disgrace myself.
However, I have always kept an open mind for consideration
of new evidence or of new arguments.



maxdancona wrote:
Laws based on gender are fundamentally unjust, aren't they?
Yes, thay are not.
For instance, chicks shud be immune from military conscription laws.
Statutory rape laws were enacted to protect the chicks,
not the guys. Thay shud remain stable n un-disturbed.





David
neologist
 
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Reply Sat 16 Aug, 2014 09:38 am
@OmSigDAVID,
So you would be OK with an adult female having sex with your 11 year old son?
How about your 11 year old daughter?
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 16 Aug, 2014 09:42 am
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

So you would be OK with an adult female having sex with your 11 year old son?
How about your 11 year old daughter?


I think our world would be a lot better off...particularly as regards the safety of women...if older women took on the responsibility of helping adolescent young men get through the early stages of sexual development, Neo.

Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Sat 16 Aug, 2014 11:13 am
Quote:
Frank Apisa said: I think our world would be a lot better off...particularly as regards the safety of women...if older women took on the responsibility of helping adolescent young men get through the early stages of sexual development

Right, when I was a young teen I dearly wished our school secretary Wendy would take me under her wing. And the woman down the road in sexy high heels, and the woman who got on the bus, and Joy next door, and my mate Jimmy's big sister, and the red-headed Irish school nurse, and the woman in the corner shop etc etc, but none of them ever did (sniffle)
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neologist
 
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Reply Sat 16 Aug, 2014 12:05 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Apparently Romeo agrees with you.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 16 Aug, 2014 01:12 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

Apparently Romeo agrees with you.


That doesn't necessarily make me wrong...although I get your point. Wink

In any case, I've thought over my earlier post...and despite the fact that Romeo seems to agree...

...I think my comments were appropriate, correct, and meaningful to the discussion.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 16 Aug, 2014 01:13 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:
So you would be OK with an adult female
having sex with your 11 year old son?
That was a happy n most fortunate part of my juvenile life.
I hope that boys of the future will be so lucky with the ladies, as I was
on those occasions. I wud not dare intrude upon the privacy of such a son,
if I had one. I 'd respect his rights. I 'd deem it to be his business, not mine.
I dunno, but I suspect that if I 'd had the bad taste
to discuss my sex life with my own father, he 'd probably
have felt that way too, but I 'm only guessing.




neologist wrote:
How about your 11 year old daughter?
Lesbianism??
I 've not given that
much thought. The important thing
is that nothing is forced upon her against her will, neither pro nor con.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 17 Aug, 2014 05:38 am
@neologist,
Given that a boy of my age at the time, 11, chooses to satisfy his erotic desires,
is it your position that he 'd be affected differently by whether
his lover is above or below voting age ?
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Sun 17 Aug, 2014 11:27 am
No one has yet explained the difference between prepubescent boys and girls that makes it OK for adults to seduce 11 year old boys, but not 11 year old girls.

Is there a reason that one is OK and the other is not OK?
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 17 Aug, 2014 11:58 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

No one has yet explained the difference between prepubescent boys and girls that makes it OK for adults to seduce 11 year old boys, but not 11 year old girls.

Is there a reason that one is OK and the other is not OK?



You will have to ask that question of someone who has suggested that it is OK for adults to seduce 11 year old boys, but not 11 year old girls.

But for me, I stand by what I said earlier:

I think our world would be a lot better off...particularly as regards the safety of women...if older women took on the responsibility of helping adolescent young men get through the early stages of sexual development.
snood
 
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Reply Sun 17 Aug, 2014 12:19 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Curious... what would that "help" look like, exactly?
roger
 
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Reply Sun 17 Aug, 2014 12:27 pm
@snood,
I'd call that a fairly relevant question.
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Sun 17 Aug, 2014 01:10 pm
@roger,
me too
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 17 Aug, 2014 01:48 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
No one has yet explained the difference between prepubescent boys
and girls that makes it OK for adults to seduce 11 year old boys, but not 11 year old girls.

Is there a reason that one is OK and the other is not OK?
Yes.
I thought that was obvious and unless my memory is incorrect,
when statutory rape laws were first enacted by legislatures,
thay only addressed protecting girls, not boys. Since then, there've been changes.
Indeed, for quite a great long time, it was a legal IMPOSSIBILITY for a husband
to rape his own wife, and that concept was explicitly integrated
into the statutory definition of rape.

I must say, in all candor that as a boy, I felt adequate to the task
of defending myself. Traditionally, girls have not been deemed
to have the same defensive strength as boys.

Of course, there is and long has been the consideration of pregnancy.

As I remember, at the common law,
there were 4 trespasses, of which 1 is here relevant, to wit:
tresspass per quod servitium amisit, which included luring away a servant
or incapacitating her with pregnancy; female only. Within that concept,
daughters were included in the definition of servants.

Additionally, note that your question conflates the genders.
My argument is limited to prohibiting MALE adults, leaving females legally un-affected.

When I was having my jollies with the ladies,
I 'd have deemed it most abhorrent indeed,
if anyone had interfered. I'd have been very angry.
I hope that if boys of generations yet un-born
are as lucky with the ladies as I was since age 11,
that no one shud sabotage their good fortune
and certainly not their representatives in government.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 17 Aug, 2014 02:23 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:

Curious... what would that "help" look like, exactly?


It would look a lot like two people learning how to lead up to and have sex, Snood.

It would look a lot like that.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 17 Aug, 2014 02:24 pm
@Frank Apisa,
I hope that satisfies Roger and Andy also.
roger
 
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Reply Sun 17 Aug, 2014 02:55 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Well, it certainly answers the question.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Sun 17 Aug, 2014 03:06 pm
@Frank Apisa,
So Frank,

Why couldn't an adult man teach an 11 girl (or boy) the same way?

If, as you and David suggest, this is a great benefit to the child involved, it would be horribly unjust to deny this service to children based on gender. I thought we were beyond that.

OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 17 Aug, 2014 03:18 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

So Frank,

Why couldn't an adult man teach an 11 girl (or boy) the same way?

If, as you and David suggest, this is a great benefit to the child involved,
it would be horribly unjust to deny this service to children based on gender. I thought we were beyond that.
There is less probability
that the kid cud successfully defend himself from a male,
especially if he is un-armed. A lot of kids do not have defensive personal weapons.
 

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