@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:I really don't believe that you weren't protected as a child.
I don t either, tho I spent a lot of time alone.
I just felt a little
un-easy while alone,
wondering how I 'd defend my home
IF that became necessary.
It never became necessary. I was invested with serenity & tranquility
when I acquired my first gun, a 2 inch .38 caliber revolver.
Guns were ubiquitous in our naborhood. We loved them.
We lived in a good naborhood; no violent crimes there,
that I ever heard of.
farmerman wrote:You had no guardians or parents ?
I had 2 natural parents.
I lucked out. I was very pleased indeed with them.
I saw families worse off than mine. I had no complaints.
I had everything I wanted.
farmerman wrote:Your gun story is a bit looney sounding to me.
Really ?
farmerman wrote:A child has rights and the parents have duties to protect that child.
Yes, including an equal right of self defense.
That is what I was bringing out in the post that u challenged.
Note that there is
NO age limit in the 2nd Amendment.
It just deprives government of any jurisdiction concerning
possession of defensive guns by citizens.
No kid in my naborhood had his dad stareing at him all the time.
Every kid got to school by his own power, walking, biking, etc. alone.
The school provided huge bike racks. We were on our own, except in class.
farmerman wrote:Leaving the kids defense up to the kid sounds like the kids on his way
to becoming either a mob member or some kind of street thug.
We did not have body guards; not parents, nor anyone.
Kids, including me, were alone a lot of the time,
certainly going to and from school. Some mothers stayed home.
Mine did sometimes, not always.
farmerman wrote:Which are you?
Well, when thay found out that I came from NY,
thay elected me leader of their local social group.
farmerman wrote:My dad, a decorated vet of WWII (Burma survivor) began teaching me
to shoot a gun nd bcome a responsible gun user at about 9.
I was not physically able to handle a gun like the one you've graced us
as representing the heater you had as an "8 year old".
I find that
hard to believe, farmer.
I 've never seen an 8 year old have any trouble in firing
a .38 caliber revolver. It has little recoil, nowhere near
as bad as u suggest. If we were discussing a .44 magnum,
then maybe I 'd see your point, not a little .38 revolver.
9 year old boy popping away with a .44 Magnum, farmer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmnL5vZxHjA
farmerman wrote:I began hunting small game at 11 (Pa Law) and began with a 28 gage,
then a 20 gage, then at 13 I graduated to a 12 gage pump and a double barrel
(hich became my gun of choice for all kinds of small game
(the "shot" was that which we changed whether it was turkey or dove being hunted)
For
SURE, if u handled a
SHOTGUN,
then u 'd have no trouble with a .38 revolver. A shotgun will rock u back.
I 've never been much of a shotgun person.
farmerman wrote:I hd a 22 Winchester model 61 that I used for ground hog and varmints.
.22s are tons of fun!
Everyone loves them. I have a little 9 round .22 Taurus revolver.
I 've never been much of a hunter. I have no wish to injure animals,
except if necessary, in self defense (tho, admittedly, I 'm no vegetarian).
farmerman wrote:I gradually became a very responsible hunter an was safety conscious.
I believe you said [??] you were in your mid 70's so youre only about
10 years older than I. You did NOT live in a pre colonial environment.
Kids were not allowed to brandish [??] guns in public at pre adolescent ages
when I was a kid unless a parent was nearby or the kid was obviously
in the field hunting with a valid LICENSE in full view.
I never said that we
brandished our guns; not then, not now.
I cannot comment on your Pa. experience. I 'll take your word for it.
farmerman wrote:Protecting oneself with packing a 38 is irresponsible because all kids
revert to being kids (we have the newspapers full of stories where
little kids blow away their littler siblings while playing with "daddy's gun"
No one in my naborhood acted irresponsibly with functional firearms.
Kids had toy guns too. We never confused the cars in our driveways
with little toy cars, either. No one was injured.
We were all trained from the earliest years in gun safety,
including never to point a gun at anyone unless u intend to kill him.
farmerman wrote:My dad Never locked his guns but ALWAYS set rules of making sure
the ammo was FAAAR from the guns and the gun
(lthough always presumed loaded, ere always kept empty )
He had one 45 model 1911 which was his pride side arm from WWII.
That was his; it was protection only and I only handled it after I
inherited it upon his death (His instructions were very very specific
on its future life as a tool.)
I think 1 or 2 defensive guns are enuf.
I don t keep my non-defensive guns loaded; never did.
What did your dad say about using the 1911 as a tool ?
farmerman wrote:My son was trained in a similar fashion and, although hes less of
a hunter than I, hes fully trained and respectful of guns and never
handled big guns at age 8.
Since when is a 2 inch J frame .38 revolver
a
BIG GUN???? Where do u get that?? Its not.
farmerman wrote:He began gun training by using a .22 at maybe 9.
That sounds reasonable; enjoyable.
farmerman wrote:I just don't buy your story and am kind of annoyed at how negligent
your parents or guardians seemed to have been by allowing you to
"carry" at such a young age.
Then be
ANNOYED at most of
the parents in the naborhood. Everyone else was better armed
than I was. Thay put me to shame.
If I had a son, I 'd
care about his being able to defend his life.
I 'd not just tell him to take his chances. He 'd get good training,
if he were willing.
farmerman wrote:Especially a single action as youd shown us.
No. The only gun I 've posted in this forum is
my
double action and single action 2 inch .44 Taurus Model 445.
I don 't recommend single action revolvers for defensive wear.
I have
not posted pictures of any of my single action revolvers.
Thay r too bulky and not well suited for long term defensive wear,
unless in hip holsters; un-wieldy.
farmerman wrote:Ive seen pictures of you.
Yea??? Where did u get them????
farmerman wrote:Youre not big guy and handling a 38 at 8 is something I find relly hrd
to believe because of upper body strength and the fact that a kid
needs to be taught responsibility. Its not osmotic.
I never claimed to have great upper body strength,
but
my grandmother cud have popped off any of my .38 revolvers
with no trouble. There is not much powder inside the shell.
Let 's not lose sight of the fact
that u
challenged and denied, my assertion
that:
DAVID wrote:A child has as much right as anyone
to defend himself from being mauled & bitten by dogs in the street
Can u justify that ?
David
