For the dems, who is there besides Hillary?

Barring any last minute embarrassments, I fully expect her to run. Oddly, I just read that Mitt Romney is a rising prospect to run on the Republican ticket.

The phrase 'politically expedient' runs deeply in both Billaries. Hillary can't hide her hawkishness and has a snarly/surly side she chooses to not suppress or, perhaps, just can't do that anymore when at odds with the questioner.

Repugs candidate choices are slim to poor, but if they run Romney, after getting his ass handed to him, I think that's political suicide. they'd be better off with a dark-horse if there was/is one. Romney's shelf-life has expired.

I agree, and it depresses me. Also agree with Ragman.

I'd rather talk about the world cup stats than get into the myriad ways Hillary has annoyed me over years. That's true, I'm enjoying the WC so far, me sans tv.

Re her - I rarely think of a woman as only conniving, but I take that as her zone, calculating a lot of the time probably from earlier years or childhood on.
Calculating is a kind of tippy tapping.

Mitt? Oh, dear.
Also, it seems Al Gore posted about the Iraq situation (a no) and I only saw one link about that.

In my opinion, Hillary reacted because Terri Gross touched on the truth. As a young woman, Hillary Rodham was active in young Republican groups and campaigned for Republican presidential nominee Barry Goldwater in 1964. She changed political parties after meeting her future husband, Bill. Hillary is a complex individual, but we do know she is unusually ambitious and I agree with Terri Gross, that she possibly changed her public opinion on Gay Marriages as a matter of political expediency.

or maybe over her long life she moved with the country...this idea that really old people should have always believed the current majority opinion or that really dead people did is barbaric. I also give a pass to really old people not moving to the new opinion, If Donald Sterling or Paula Deen think racist thoughts I dont see any reason to be bothered, they will be dead soon enough, which solves the "problem".

Wrong on all counts. As a result of the 2012 gun control debacle, the Republicans are going to win the White House in 2016.

If Romney wins the nomination, he'll win the election.

I have a political friend, successful but never interested in national office - local in interest, who started out as a Republican but left that before I knew her in our neighborhood.
We marched all together once.. long ago, re giant buildings set for planning (criminy and worse, a godzilla intersection in the works).
She has been temperate and also fixed a lot of messed up stuff in her terms of office. Generally quiet and well regarded on alternate sides of the aisle, last I read.
She's probably smarter than Hillary - well, who knows.

She is a person who changed, who I don't tag as a long time calculator. In her case, it was a response re social considerations, not a way to peg up.

Pegging up for itself bothers me, from whatever side of whatever aisles.

Perhaps, or perhaps something is a bit off with your articulation. In either case, I agree, it's not a subject that should take up any more time for either of us.

Hillary is the person I'm referring to here, and her distinct personality. One wonders just who is Hillary and if she had not married Bill who had national ambitions would she still be a Republican of the conservative persuasion which is what Goldwater was and whom she worked and campaigned for according to Wiki.

I like Hillary, but not to the same extent I admire Elizabeth Warren and i think she is skilled enough to take on all opponents if she chose to run. If for some unforeseen reason, she does not run, then there is a perfect opening for Warren who has said she supports Hillary but has not said whether she has the appetite to run for president.

I get that.
I was talking about someone I know in contrast to her who did something similar.
Whom I think is easily as bright as Hillary.
I think Hillary is a clock.
In the meantime, I was talking about my experience.

Re the person I was talking of, I don't know now, but I earlier strongly admired her, including with all her repub roots, where I differed, but got her.

Sometime the subtleties of English grammar eludes me. What do you mean by the above statement, Osso? Thanks.

I think from an early age she gauged the usefulness of any nuance of point of view.

In some ways, many of us did that, but I have taken her as long calculating. I don't trust her to represent me, more the best troph for now that fits with her past or next week.

I dont know if your old enough to remember Goldwater but today he would be considered s moderate. The tea party would kick his ass out of the country and would brand him unamerican.

Regarding Goldwater, I've read much about him from my intense interest in politics and Wikipedia. He was supposed to be ultra conservative during that time period. I've read again and again how the Goldwater of yesteryear would not be welcomed in today's far right Republican Party.....my, how time does change.

Good nite, my fellow poster.

One last embarrassment it is !!

The released Gitmo fellows, she says, is not a threat to the US, but to Afghanistan.

Umm...Guess who is in Afghanistan?

I do hope she runs. Let's get rid of these tired old antiques once and for all.

I think someone like Christie would be able to easily defeat this has-been. He actually has a record of Governing, while she has a record of being a liar and quitter.

You think with his baggage Christie would be a viable candidate for President? What are you smoking? He couldn't get elected as dog-catcher never mind as President or to Congress...after this bridge fiasco in NJ. Whether or not anyone believes his version of what happened during the Bridge-gate, he has so much heavy baggage about his style of (mis-)management, Repugs would not be well-advised to put him up as a candidate.

When Sarah Palin was McCain's running mate, America's women voters let her down badly by not putting her in the White House as vice-pres to McCain.
Women suffragettes were treated badly in the past, certainly here in Britain where they were jailed and force-fed with tubes down their throat which amounted to torture.
What a giant landmark leap it would be for women everywhere if a woman became president or vice-pres, from a torture cell to the White House..

What baggage? You are comparing one small "bridge event" to the killing of US Personal in Libya? Chaos in the middle east due to poor foreign policy leadership is comparable to your "bridge event"? Just to name 2 !

Talk to me about leadership qualities and a record of governing with respect to Clinton. I'll wait for your reply.

If you what you have to contribute to the discussion is "what baggage" as regards Christie, you aren't dealing with reality.

And speaking of offbase comments, where was anything that I wrote indicating I was defending or wanted to defend Clinton or the role she played in the personnel losses in Libya? No idea where you're coming from there.

The point I was making is that Gov. Christie can't be the Repug Prez candidate and won't be the candidate. Time will tell, won't it?!