Donald Sterling

@firefly,

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In Sterling's case, these sins haven't all been private.

Yes, I've seen your defense/explanations a few times, and they have little to do with my concerns. I don't care about his reputation or "bigotry." I care that a private, mild comment can be used against a person in this way.

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I didn't hear people screaming for Sterling's head.

Then you weren't paying attention.

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The worst that will happen to Sterling, if he's forced to sell, is that he'll owe a whopping capital gains tax because his asset has so grossly increased in value

This is extraneous to the issue.

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So, we have pretty different viewpoints on the story. Will watch the cases.

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@Lash,

The question remains: Is anything private anymore?

I mean hell, if you plan on killing someone and you express those feelings privately, should you be prosecuted if those words never come to fruition?

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@ossobuco,

You mean NBA not NFL

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@BillRM,

You have many sins Bill most of which you've expressed here. As an African-American member here, as well as a "new booty" you've already offended me with your indirect and direct racist vitriol. I firmly believe you are a racist, and not only that you do not address people's points directly. I directly gave you specific examples and statements of my experience and the typical mindset of African-Americans around me, yet you completely ignored that and started talking about Black marriages as if they are in some way related to this thread.

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@firefly,

I wouldn't pay much attention to the people here (Lash most specifically) upon reading some of the comments people are overlooking Sterling's track record. They are looking at one recording instead of Sterling's behavior over time. You see, the question I want to know is why haven't any white owners or white friends come to Sterling's defense especially if his behavior although expressed privately, argue that Sterling was not a racist and that his behavior was atypical?

Only one person came out and that was Tommy Lasorda and even he said that he wasn't surprised by Sterling's behavior. The fact remains is the NBA has a strong case if this goes through legal action. I firmly believe in today's age nothing is truly private.

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@Buttermilk,

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They are looking at one recording instead of Sterling's behavior over time

so you are OK with stringing up a guy on a bogus claim of a crime if you are sure that he actually did some other crime? Not me, that is not justice.

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The fact remains is the NBA has a strong case if this goes through legal action

The NBA is claiming that it is on firm ground, but they would say that true or not true. They are certainly trying to use the contracts that the owners sign in a way that they have not been used before, and the legal experts that I have read seem to be none too sure how this would go in court.

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@hawkeye10,

It seems pretty clear that the Sterlings and the NBA are in negotiations. Both sides have a lot of incentive to reach a deal.

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@hawkeye10,

Hawkeye10

"so you are OK with stringing up a guy on a bogus claim of a crime if you are sure that he actually did some other crime? Not me, that is not justice. "

First and foremost he said those words. the fact that his response of "I should've paid her off" was clear indication that he did not deny those claims. Plus his friend tommy Lasorda corroborated the claim that he is a racist by saying that the recent events was "not surprising" thus further indicating the claim that Sterling had racist feelings all along. In addition, the subsequent rulings against him concerning landlord discrimination. So no, there is no allegation of what he may or may not have said, there is nothing bogus here. Whether the private recording was a crime depends on the district attorney. If the D.A does not pursue this case then it was not seen as a crime. Right now you are speculating that it was a crime. You are neither an arbitrator nor a lawyer. At this point, you're an armchair lawyer, this is a wait and see at this point.

As far as justice is concerned, I call it Karma. Every piece of **** racist in my view deserves universal justice.

Hawkeye10

"The NBA is claiming that it is on firm ground, but they would say that true or not true. They are certainly trying to use the contracts that the owners sign in a way that they have not been used before, and the legal experts that I have read seem to be none too sure how this would go in court."

Of course they haven't done something of this kind before because no owner has been in this kind of trouble. With the lawyers whom "you've read about" do you have any evidence they claim they are not too sure how this would go in court.

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@Lash,

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I don't care about his reputation or "bigotry." I care that a private, mild comment can be used against a person in this way.

The privacy issue, and how that conversation got leaked, is really between Sterling and his girlfriend. She claims he knew he was being taped that she was his "archivist". If he knew he was being taped, and had agreed to that, it should shift his expectation of privacy somewhat. Tapes can always wind up remaining not private, as happened with this one. And, once one media outlet got that tape, the matter became public--it was no longer private. And once it became public, it affected the NBA and their interests. And corporate sponsors withdrew to protect their interests.

And, my take is, were it not for his already existing reputation as a bigot, the comments on the tape might not have seemed like such a big deal.

But I can certainly understand why the predominantly black players in the NBA might not see it as such a "mild comment" when an owner tells his girlfriend not to bring blacks to a game, and not to pose for pictures with them, etc.. That's directly offensive and insulting to most of the people out on the court actually playing the game. I'm not sure that it mattered to them that he initially said these things "in private"--the whole world had now heard them. And they threatened a walkout if Sterling wasn't out. And that became a problem for the NBA.

So I do see the whole privacy issue from a different perspective than you do. When the private conversation became public, it affected other peoples interests, the group interests of the NBA, in a negative way. That's why they acted/reacted as they did. I don't think this is simply about punishing him for ostensibly bigoted remarks he made in a private conversation, I think it's more about the NBA, as an organization, suffering damage because of him once those comments were made public, and they feared even more continuing damage if he was allowed to remain. Their reaction is one designed to protect their self-interest and viability as an organization, and it's hard to argue that they shouldn't be doing that.

So we're really looking at this from very different vantage points.

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@hawkeye10,

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The NBA is claiming that it is on firm ground, but they would say that true or not true. They are certainly trying to use the contracts that the owners sign in a way that they have not been used before, and the legal experts that I have read seem to be none too sure how this would go in court.

Did you read this legal expert--the link osso posted. He explains where, and why, the NBA may be on firm ground.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nba/news/20140509/donald-sterling-legal-analysis-nba-clippers/#ixzz31MSnbhHd

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@Buttermilk,

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Of course they haven't done something of this kind before because no owner has been in this kind of trouble

Baseball had to deal with a similar situation in the case of Marge Schott--another team owner bigot.

The statements attributed to Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling are even worse than what got former Cincinnati Reds owner Marge Schott banned, said former Major League Baseball Commissioner Fay Vincent.

“What she said was egregious, but what he said was probably worse,” Vincent, 75, said yesterday in a telephone interview. “There’s a question of where you draw the line. In this case, with what this guy did, and probably in Marge Schott’s case, you’re well over the line.”

You can read more here about Schott...

Is Marge Schott’s ouster from baseball Donald Sterling’s future?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/wp/2014/04/28/is-marge-schotts-ouster-from-baseball-donald-sterlings-future/

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@Buttermilk,

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you've already offended me with your indirect and direct racist vitriol. I firmly believe you are a racist

My my how charming you are in dealing with anyone who dare to disagree with you by wheeling out the word racist.

I have had experts such as firefly who have try that nonsense over the years here and you are no expert at least as of yet you are surely not an expert in the fine art of slander.

Perhaps you will get better at it in the future however and I will added your charge to the list to help encourage you to become better at libeling anyone who disagree with you.

LOL see the list below for your information...............

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It kind of amusing to see the degree of evilness that I had been label with over the years all together in one list, but on the other hand how many others who do not care to face such levels of personal attacks had indeed been silent by this group of posters?

Stand marijuana should be legal……………..............You are a pot head.

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footnote this was years before marijuana had become legal in some state.

08 BAC limit for drunk driving is too low……..........You are a drunk driver

Sentencing for CP is too harsh in US………............. You are a pedophile

Adult women should not normally be able to
claim rape due to their own drinking
by reason of lack of valid consent………............…….You are a rapist
.
A woman should not be ruin based
mainly on the used of the n word decades
ago………………………………………………...............……You are a racist

You think that people should take
more computer security measures able
to block even the government from
viewing your computer files and
communications…………………………................…You are a lawbreaker of some
.................................................................... kind and or wish to aid such
.................................................................... people including cp traders

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footnote this was years before Snowden told us as about the US government mass spying on the population

You are a supporter of the second
Amendment and have a CC license………….........You are a gun nut and a
....................................................................... danger to society.

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I want to thank firefly for the insightful post regarding Marge schott because i was unaware that something similar happened to another owner. In relation to firefly's link and this thread I wanted to highlight some interesting facts:

"Marge didn’t limit her ugliness to blacks. She spread it like buckshot. Schott offended everyone from scouts to Jews, gays to blacks. The litany of her indiscretions was comprehensive and impressive.”

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@BillRM,

Time to dig up dirt on posts you've made that are inherently offensive.

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@firefly,

firefly wrote:

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He has NO DUTY to conform his opinions to yours. No one does.

That's true.

Did I ever say his opinions had to conform to mine?

That sounded implied in the tenor of your post.

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@Buttermilk,

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Time to dig up dirt on posts you've made that are inherently offensive.

Great I see you are determine to become better at the fine are of slander using the old but try and true method of taking comments out of content. That is one of firefly most beloved techniques and I am sure she will be able to give you pointers in doing so.

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The following demonstrates BILLRM's sensitivity towards African-American culture:

"Sorry so you are not IDing yourself with the US black population all the way from some sad gang member with a dark skin to the current president of the US?"

"Hell I myself ID with this group as being a subset of my fellow citizens even if you do not and therefore I am concern about such matters as their far larger out of wedlock birth numbers or the sad percents of the black males that are involved with the criminal justice system."

"So let me get this straight you wish to turn your back on this group as a whole from the members who are doing well and even hold advance degrees and in fact in one case is the President of the US to someone who is setting in a prison cell for selling a small amount of drugs?"(Also See BILLRM's post on Page 2, 13th post down)

BTW Bill I see you deleted your post about your bi-racial relative.....Smart move cause I was going to put that here as well.

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@BillRM,

It's not slander if it's true and factual from what you've displayed here.

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@firefly,

In order to own an athletic team,
a citizen must sacrifice his freedom of speech,
or his freedom of opinion ?????????

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@Buttermilk,

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It's not slander if it's true and factual from what you've displayed here.

Come on you can do better then that.....................

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