Hobby Lobby and Christian Values

He makes a good point.

Meh. If you don't like the insurance Hobby Lobby offers then they can get their own on the exchange, right?

not necessarily.

if they don't make enough a year to qualify for subsidies, and their state won't expand medicare (Kansas...) they could be fecked.

Not necessarily. If Hobby Lobby wins their case, then their employees who have or are offered the Hobby Lobby insurance plan won't be able to legally buy coverage on the federal exchange or the state exchanges. They could purchase coverage elsewhere but wouldn't be able to get a subsidy. If Hobby Lobby loses their case, then the plan Hobby Lobby currently offers wouldn't be a qualified plan and Hobby Lobby employees could purchase coverage on the exchange. Interestingly enough, for decades Hobby Lobby offered plans that fully covered the contraception they now object to. It was only after the ACA was passed and they were required to provide coverage for contraception that they dropped it.

The (insurance) question has to be answered...and the SCOTUS will do so.

There is no question about the owners of Hobby Lobby being abject hypocrites.

They are.

How are they hypocrites?

A better question is how are Frank and you hypocrites, Baldimo.

http://able2know.org/topic/239449-1#post-5619489

just did some background reading on this.

seems like the Hobby Lobby group found religion around health insurance once it became attached to Mr. Obama's name

disturbing that any American doesn't see this as a problem

Yeh, well, to me too, but not a surprise.

This doesn't make sense to me. I guess I don't relate the policies of China to companies here in the US. More than half of our imported goods come from China. A long time ago we were told that doing business with China was ok despite their human rights record.

There shouldn't be a birth control mandate in the ACA anyways. No reason to force people to pay for others good times. The Pill and condoms are cheap enough that you really don't need insurance to purchase them.

Their objection has to do with abortion inducing drugs.

Do the background reading.

None of the medication in question induces abortion anymore than jumping up and down induces labour.

who decides what a good time is? you? me?

If your having sex, that would be a good time. I shouldn't be paying for other people's good times. Birth control doesn't serve any other purpose. A minority of women take the pill for other reasons, but they are the minority. This is one of the reasons they need a 2nd classification for those types of drugs. If they take the Pill and give it a 2nd name for a different use, then companies can't reject its use. Pretty straight forward if you ask me.

The two emergency contraception drugs that Hobby Lobby doesn't want to cover cost up to $50 per dose and the two intrauterine devices (IUD) it doesn't want to cover cost up to $1000. If you've never been poor, you might not understand that most people working for a low hourly wage (part-time Hobby Lobby employees have a starting wage of $9.50 per hour and full-time employees have a starting wage of $14 per hour) would not consider medical purchases of $50 or $1000 to be "cheap enough that you really don't need insurance to purchase them."

Providing insurance coverage for emergency contraception and intrauterine devices actually saves insurance companies a lot of money as insurance claims resulting from an unplanned pregnancy (that could have been prevented by emergency contraception) can cost tens of thousands of dollars and treating a single case of endometrial or cervical cancer (that intrauterine devices and other types of contraception have been demonstrated to prevent) can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. Furthermore, the economic impact of each premature death due to preventable gynecologic cancers that will result from denying female Hobby Lobby employees access to contraception could be millions of dollars. Hobby Lobby's communist owners are not only seeking to impose their absurd and irrational religious beliefs on their 16000+ employees but are also seeking to shift the costs of the resulting financial harm to taxpayers, healthcare providers and insurance policy premium payers. Why should everyone else be forced to pay the enormous financial costs of their religious stupidity?

The government?

Looks like you want to make as many decisions for other people as you claim are being made for you.

That's a non-starter as an argument.