Hobby Lobby and Christian Values

@Frank Apisa,

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There is no question about the owners of Hobby Lobby being abject hypocrites.

Spoken from life experience, no doubt.

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@coldjoint,

Y'all have a lot of life experience with hypocrisy, cj. It's in your genes.

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@ehBeth,

That's not making decisions, that's offering advice. Nothing I advise has the power of law behind it. It's common sense.

Forcing those to pay for birth control who don't want it, or don't want to carry it as part of their coverage shouldn't be forced to just because its for the "greater good". I'm not against it myself but being someone who can no longer have kids, I wouldn't select to pay for it as part of my insurance plan. I have no need for it. That's the beauty of choice which you seem to be for.

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@Baldimo,

So, on your insurance plan, you can actually run through the items it covers and cross them off if you have no need for them and your part of the pay will actually be less?

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@McGentrix,

Right. And because I don't like their claims which goes far beyond their stores I can shop elsewhere, which I now do.

The argument is whether "equal access" trumps imposing personal "religious freedom" on others. And that's what the SCOTUS is considering.

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@Baldimo,

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If your having sex, that would be a good time. I shouldn't be paying for other people's good times.

If that is your argument, then why is there no movement to no longer cover viagra?

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@Baldimo,

No one is being forced to pay more for contraception coverage. Contraception coverage is included at no additional cost as insurance companies cannot afford to exclude it without raising premiums or significantly reducing their profits or increasing their losses. Group plans that exclude contraception coverage cost more due to higher claim costs. The result will be higher costs not only for the plan itself but for other plans as enrollees will eventually move to other plans (primarily due to job changes or retirement) where they will have increased claims that could have been prevented by not excluding contraception coverage from their previous plan. Why do you want to force everyone else to pay those costs? How much more are you personally willing to pay for an insurance plan that excludes contraception coverage? How much money should everyone else be forced to pay and how many women should we allow to die to accommodate the religious beliefs of some business owners?

If you want to both exclude contraception coverage and have lower costs, you will also need to exclude any coverage for claims resulting from pregnancy and gynecologic cancers. It is also impossible to exclude contraception coverage and have lower costs without increasing the number of resulting abortions. If you are opposed to abortion, why would you support a policy that will increase the number of abortions?

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@coldjoint,

Certainly from my experience, without doubt. I used to buy bolts of fabric from them, and now I will not buy a thing from them.

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@Baldimo,

Do they cover Viagra? They do. They need to cover birth control, too.

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@Baldimo,

Who's paying for your "good time" Viagra prescriptions?

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@coldjoint,

Go play with your toys, the adults are talking.

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@bobsal u1553115,

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Go play with your toys, the adults are talking.

Wow, that is a hurter.

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@coldjoint,

Hurting others is your bag. Mine is civil conversation. Now scat you rascal, you!

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Hobby Lobby's Hypocrisy: The Company's Retirement Plan INVESTS in Contraception Manufacturers
Hobby Lobby's Hypocrisy: The Company's Retirement Plan Invests in Contraception Manufacturers
When Hobby Lobby filed its case against Obamacare's contraception mandate, its retirement plan had more than $73 million invested in funds with stakes in contraception makers.
—By Molly Redden | Tue Apr. 1, 2014 3:00 AM PDT

Documents filed with the Department of Labor and dated December 2012—three months after the company's owners filed their lawsuit—show that the Hobby Lobby 401(k) employee retirement plan held more than $73 million in mutual funds with investments in companies that produce emergency contraceptive pills, intrauterine devices, and drugs commonly used in abortions. Hobby Lobby makes large matching contributions to this company-sponsored 401(k).

Several of the mutual funds in Hobby Lobby's retirement plan have holdings in companies that manufacture the specific drugs and devices that the Green family, which owns Hobby Lobby, is fighting to keep out of Hobby Lobby's health care policies: the emergency contraceptive pills Plan B and Ella, and copper and hormonal intrauterine devices.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/04/hobby-lobby-retirement-plan-invested-emergency-contraception-and-abortion-drug-makers

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@bobsal u1553115,

bobsal u1553115 wrote:

Hobby Lobby's Hypocrisy: The Company's Retirement Plan INVESTS in Contraception Manufacturers
Hobby Lobby's Hypocrisy: The Company's Retirement Plan Invests in Contraception Manufacturers
When Hobby Lobby filed its case against Obamacare's contraception mandate, its retirement plan had more than $73 million invested in funds with stakes in contraception makers.
—By Molly Redden | Tue Apr. 1, 2014 3:00 AM PDT

Documents filed with the Department of Labor and dated December 2012—three months after the company's owners filed their lawsuit—show that the Hobby Lobby 401(k) employee retirement plan held more than $73 million in mutual funds with investments in companies that produce emergency contraceptive pills, intrauterine devices, and drugs commonly used in abortions. Hobby Lobby makes large matching contributions to this company-sponsored 401(k).

Several of the mutual funds in Hobby Lobby's retirement plan have holdings in companies that manufacture the specific drugs and devices that the Green family, which owns Hobby Lobby, is fighting to keep out of Hobby Lobby's health care policies: the emergency contraceptive pills Plan B and Ella, and copper and hormonal intrauterine devices.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/04/hobby-lobby-retirement-plan-invested-emergency-contraception-and-abortion-drug-makers

They are hypocrites through and through.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank: They are hypocrites through and through.
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Rolling Eyes

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@bobsal u1553115,

And what to you think about carbon spewing Al Gore?

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@bobsal u1553115,

bobsal u1553115 wrote:

Right. And because I don't like their claims which goes far beyond their stores I can shop elsewhere, which I now do.

The argument is whether "equal access" trumps imposing personal "religious freedom" on others. And that's what the SCOTUS is considering.

If you shop elsewhere, I fail to see your beef with this. You are already not helping to pay the employees, why do you care one way or another how the company wants to insure them?

This is a pretty fundamental Republican belief. That the free market should be free and fewer regulations make the market freer. You claim to be a Republican yet I have yet to see you even begin to support a single Republican thought.

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@McGentrix,

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If you shop elsewhere, I fail to see your beef with this. You are already not helping to pay the employees, why do you care one way or another how the company wants to insure them?

This is a pretty fundamental Republican belief.

Isn't freedom of speech "a pretty fundamental Republican belief", McG?

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Duggar resigns from Family Research Council, hmm bye Felecia! Another family values kind of guy.

Christian hypocrites! Cool

New report reveals Josh Duggar was accused of molesting young girls as a teen — including his sisters

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Josh Duggar was investigated by police for allegedly fondling five girls — including some of his family members — on multiple occasions dating back to 2002, In Touch Weekly revealed on Thursday.

In Touch Weekly published investigative documents obtained from the Arkansas’ Springdale Police Department via a Freedom of Information Act request, which reveal disturbing allegations against Josh. The website had previously reported that Josh was allegedly involved in an underage sex scandal.

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