U.S. Snipers Firing on Ambulances in Fallujah

At Al -Thawra Hospital, I met Raad Daier, a 36-year-old ambulance driver with a bullet in his lower abdomen, one of 12 shots fired at his ambulance from a U.S. Humvee. According to hospital officials, at the time of the attack, he was carrying six people injured by U.S. forces, including a pregnant woman who had been shot in the stomach and lost her child.

Or it could be pandering for votes.

Or it could be the idea that "if we just close our eyes maybe all the troubles will go away.

" Or it could be a leap onto the "we hate the US" bandwagon.

I believe the courage of the Operation Iraqi Freedom troops is being properly applied.

I don't believe in walking away from the problem before it's solved.

Pulling a "Spain" doesn't help anyone and actually hurts the fight against terrorism.

Or it could be pandering for votes. Or it could be the idea that "if we just close our eyes maybe all the troubles will go away." Or it could be a leap onto the "we hate the US" bandwagon.

I believe the courage of the Operation Iraqi Freedom troops is being properly applied. I don't believe in walking away from the problem before it's solved. Pulling a "Spain" doesn't help anyone and actually hurts the fight against terrorism.

Anywho, if your done with the national insults Tarantulas, can we get back to the matter of US forces shooting at ambulances?

There was this one from a few weeks ago. It wasn't in Fallujah but it was an ambulance.

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At Al -Thawra Hospital, I met Raad Daier, a 36-year-old ambulance driver with a bullet in his lower abdomen, one of 12 shots fired at his ambulance from a U.S. Humvee. According to hospital officials, at the time of the attack, he was carrying six people injured by U.S. forces, including a pregnant woman who had been shot in the stomach and lost her child.

Tarantulas wrote:

Or it could be pandering for votes.

Tarantulas, is there a form of government other than democracy that you advocate?

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Or it could be the idea that "if we just close our eyes maybe all the troubles will go away.

This is just more of the same Tarantulas, they have a different opinion that yours so you are characterizing them in these parodies as cowardly, naive and ilk.

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" Or it could be a leap onto the "we hate the US" bandwagon.

Tarantulas, one does not need to hate the US to neglect to support our war in Iraq.

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I believe the courage of the Operation Iraqi Freedom troops is being properly applied.

I can respect that, but others don't agree with you. And they are not necessarily cowards because of this.

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I don't believe in walking away from the problem before it's solved.

But you support the war, others don't and didn't want to go to war. Their governments took their people to a war against the wishes of the people in a democracy.

What we are discussing is the democratic process reacting to governments going against the will of the people.

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Pulling a "Spain" doesn't help anyone and actually hurts the fight against terrorism.

I don't think withdrawing troops will help, but I think the characterizations you offer in regard to the motivations for doing so are not reasonable.

What we are discussing is the democratic process reacting to governments going against the will of the people.
And in this case I don't understand the will of the people. Didn't the Aussies lose a bunch of tourists in the bombing at Bali? Shouldn't they be outraged and shouting for their military to go fight against terrorism?

Now who is the real terrorist here?

"I hope the Iraqis know they can go to the Coalition commanders with charges of misconduct and get a fair hearing."

Hey buddy which fairy land are you living in. When was the last time US troops had to account for their crimes overseas during peace time, let alone war.

This isn't a fight against terrorism. It was a dubious attempt to find WMD's which obviously don't exist. It wasn't until it was obvious that there weren't any that you conservatives conveniently rewrote the facts to suit your purposes, as you do quite consistently.

Oh, and just so emclean knows, I don't think the worst of the troops. I just don't think very highly of the TACTICS.

Well I only said it "could be."

Perhaps the person challenging the Australian leader is thinking "Shhhh...everyone be really quiet and the terrorists won't know we're here.

Craven de Kere wrote:

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" Or it could be a leap onto the "we hate the US" bandwagon.

Tarantulas, one does not need to hate the US to neglect to support our war in Iraq.

Maybe not, but it certainly seems to be fashionable these days, doesn't it? If you're not carrying a sign with a picture of George Bush portrayed as Satan, you're out of style. At least that's what the well-dressed weekend demonstrator carries in the US.

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I believe the courage of the Operation Iraqi Freedom troops is being properly applied.

I can respect that, but others don't agree with you. And they are not necessarily cowards because of this.

In the end, it doesn't matter much, does it?

Didn't the Aussies lose a bunch of tourists in the bombing at Bali? Shouldn't they be outraged and shouting for their military to go fight against terrorism?

Craven de Kere wrote:

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Pulling a "Spain" doesn't help anyone and actually hurts the fight against terrorism.

I don't think withdrawing troops will help, but I think the characterizations you offer in regard to the motivations for doing so are not reasonable.

In the end it boils down to running away from a dangerous duty that needs to be performed.

And when the Spanish troops get into their personnel carriers and drive away into the sunset....

As you can probably tell I think you are making a cartoonish characterization of those who feel differently about the merit of this war and I think it unfair to assume that your position is valid in arguments about said position if the very validity of said position is being disputed.

It seems just as fashionable to try to write off dissenting opinions as being a manifestation of the most extreme cartoonish infdividuals, it's the most common manifestation of straw men.

Again there's that assumption that invading Iraq was a legitimate extension on the war against Al Quaeda.

Again the assumption that your position is not only correct, but now necessary.

This level of discussion only works when others accept your assumption that your position is correct because all your arguments already assume it instead of making the case for it.