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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2014 06:30 am
@spendius,
Crimea get electricity from Ukraine.
As far as I know (and could find out) electricity prices in Crimea are still the same as before. But if Ukraine ratifies a bill to abolish solar tariffs passes, electricity prices will go up for Crimea. (Such was announced yesterday)
revelette2
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2014 06:46 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Crimea Besieged by Ukraine Control of Power, Water

Within days of Crimea being swallowed up by Russia, the lights began flickering out.

Officials in the peninsula accused Ukraine of halving electricity supplies in order to bully Crimea, which voted earlier this month in a referendum to secede and join Russia.

"Cutting supplies is an attempt by Kiev to blackmail Russia through Crimea," Crimean Prime Minister Sergei Aksyonov wrote on his Twitter account.

Aksyonov's combative reaction reflects a sobering reality for Crimea: the strategic peninsula's overwhelming reliance on electricity and water supplies from mainland Ukraine. The Kiev government, which has been unable to prevent the Russian annexation, still wields a weapon it can use to bargain with its aggressive neighbor.

Crimea currently gets about 80 percent of its electricity and a similar share of its water needs from Ukraine.

But Ukraine also needs to be careful not to hit Crimeans too hard over electricity and water. It cannot afford to be seen hurting ordinary people as it argues that the region remains part of its territory.

Analysts say that Ukraine will likely be able to charge higher prices for power and water supplies to Crimea, but won't get any leverage on political and security issues.

Ukrainian authorities have described power cutoffs to Crimea this week as simply the result of technical maintenance and insist they would do nothing to harm residents. Russian officials have rushed to the rescue with hundreds of diesel generators and started drafting plans to connect the region's electrical grid to mainland Russia, which is separated from Crimea by the Kerch Strait. They said a possible water shortage could be offset by more efficient use of existing resources.

Those reassurances have provided little comfort to Filipp Savchenko, the 29-year-old owner of a refrigeration and logistics business in Simferopol, the Crimean capital. Savchenko said Tuesday that the power had been out for two nights at his warehouse, where he stores about $9,000 of produce daily for his clients.

"With the help of the generators we have, we were able to survive," Savchenko said. "But if they turn (the electricity) off in the future or for longer, we won't be able to cope. We'll lose our produce and business owners will have legal issues with us."

Regardless of the intention behind the recent blackouts, they have underscored Crimea's dependency on mainland Ukraine. They also highlight its lack of a real contingency plan if Kiev does decide to pull the plug. Russia's long-term projects could eventually snap Crimea's reliance on Ukraine for good, but that could take years.

Russia's Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev said this week that a quick solution for the power problem could be to use a transmission cable to hook up the peninsula to Russia's power grid across the Kerch Strait, which is 4.5 kilometers (2.8 miles) wide at its narrowest point.

Russia has dispatched diesel generators, including some big units used as a back-up during the recent Sochi Winter Games. Russian Emergency Situations Minister Vladimir Puchkov said Tuesday that his agency had already delivered 1,400 diesel generators to Crimea.

Irrigation has long been a headache for Crimea, and could become so again, should Ukraine choose to apply pressure by closing off the Soviet-built canals fed by the Dnipro River, a major waterway that streams through the heart of the country. The canal system that feeds Crimea was built only after the peninsula was transferred in 1954 by Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev to his native Ukraine.

Deputy Crimean premier Rustam Temirgaliyev has grimly acknowledged that the peninsula has not to date found any alternative to water supplies from the Dnipro.

But Dmitry Kirillov, the head of water resources department at Russia's Natural Resources Ministry, said that Crimea's potential water problem isn't that threatening. He argued that the agricultural sector accounts for the bulk of the region's water consumption, and a possible water shortage can be overcome simply by stopping the cultivation of some crops, such as rice, and focusing on traditional winemaking.

Adversity for the peninsula may prove an opportunity for Ukraine, which is already signaling its intent to withdraw some of the state subsidies for essential resources that have kept prices relatively low.

Sergei Sobolev, head of the parliamentary faction of the Fatherland party, whose leading members now dominate the government, has argued that special tariffs should be established for power and water supplies to Crimea.

The need to raise funds for Ukraine's cash-strapped treasury will prove particularly acute against the backdrop of reported Russian plans to increase the price of natural gas to $405 per thousand cubic meters. Late last year, Russia agreed to help prop up the teetering government of now-ousted President Viktor Yanukovych by selling Ukraine gas at $268.50 per thousand cubic meters, but it has recently announced a decision to scrap the discount.

"We have no intention of subsidizing citizens of the Russian Federation: the occupiers that have now deployed their armed contingents on temporarily occupied territory," Sobolev was cited as telling parliament this week by the UNIAN news agency.

Sobolev said that prices for gas and electricity in Crimea are priced four times below market cost and that water is provided at one-seventh of its real value.

Vladimir Omelchenko, an energy analyst at the respected Kiev-based Razumkov Center think tank, said Ukrainian companies will now charge prices that would bring a profit. He said it would be unrealistic to expect that Ukraine could win security guarantees from Moscow or persuade it to return the Ukrainian military equipment seized in Crimea.

Alexander Konovalov, the head of the Institute of Strategic Assessment and Analysis, an independent think-tank, said that Ukraine could potentially profit on its current monopoly on providing power and water supplier to Crimea. But he added that Moscow's refusal to engage in a dialogue with Ukraine's new government was hampering any meaningful dialogue.

"To start bargaining, you have to sit down for talks," Konovalov said. "And Russia has said the (Ukrainian) government is illegitimate."

Either way, many of the Crimeans who have supported the Russian annexation remain confident Russia will come to the rescue if matters get any more serious.

"We've lived through this before, I'll just go and buy some candles," said Olga Dusheyeva, an 81-year-old former math teacher. "I'm not scared, I know that Russia will always help us."




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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2014 02:15 pm
@InfraBlue,
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She also said that this arrogation was along the lines of a "war of distraction"--I'm paraphrasing here from what I remember of the broadcast--to distract from domestic issues that have eaten away at his power, like the deep, systemic corruption that was exposed by having hosted the Olympics.


it is good politics at home, it is a good international power play reminding the West "dont **** with Russia", and it is revenge for dismissing Russian power over the last two decades. The situation is very similar to what the Chinese have been doing, though Chinese power was ignored for much longer.


Eric Posner
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Putin’s annexation of Crimea gave him a short-term political boost at home that will eventually dissipate. In the long term, Russia gains nothing from the annexation but an arid peninsula of no economic or military importance, and the distrust of its neighbors. Putin’s foolish move will be its own punishment


http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/view_from_chicago/2014/03/sanctions_against_russia_why_everything_we_are_doing_about_crimea_is_completely.2.html

And I am sure that the Chinese are in his mind equally stupid for taking Tibet, but they did and they are willing to pay a lot for it. Not understanding the motivation of others does not make them stupid, it makes you stupid.
panzade
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2014 02:19 pm
@hawkeye10,
I agree with Posner. With Putin it's all about the cult of Bare Chested Putin.

Why I laud Obama's attitude and his dis: "Russia regional power"
Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2014 02:27 pm
If anyone around here knows stupid, it's Whackeye--from personal experience. Russia's military power has withered for more than two decades. China's military power has grown. Twenty-five years ago, the Soviet Union controlled territories that Putin could only wish he now controlled. The Baltic states are free of Russian domination, and members of NATO. The former Warsaw Pact nations are out from under the Russian thumb, and members of NATO. All Putin has done is nibble off a piece of Georgia and now a piece of the Ukraine. His efforts have yielded paltry results, and in the long run he's just hurting Russia's place among the wealthy and the powerful of this world. The media have made him an image as a powerful man, but ti's all smoke and mirrors.

Whackeye does this all the time. He's usually among the last to hear about any issue, and then he runs around reading randomly online, and then attempts to pretend to a wisdom he does not possess.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2014 02:39 pm
@panzade,
It's all domestic, if Russians are talking about Russian speakers being persecuted by Ukrainian Fascists and Putin restoring Russia's pride, they're not talking about the corruption at the heart of Putin's inner circle.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2014 02:46 pm
@izzythepush,
... nor about the corruption in Ukraine.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2014 03:29 pm
@Setanta,
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Russia's military power has withered for more than two decades


Wrong, it has been on the upgrade for 5 years.

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His efforts have yielded paltry results,


He took Crimea leaving US Intelligence and the Ukraine military flummoxed, that aint nothing. Observers have also been impressed with the professionalism of the Crimea occupiers, as well as with their nifty brand new gear.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2014 03:36 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
Observers have also been impressed with the professionalism of the Crimea occupiers, as well as with their nifty brand new gear.
... and that's why "observers" thought, it were regular members of the Russian forces and not local "militia".
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2014 03:54 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
He took Crimea leaving US Intelligence and the Ukraine military flummoxed, that aint nothing.


There was a significant Russian military presence in Crimea beforehand. Taking something that you more or less occupy isn't that difficult. If he hadn't been able to take Crimea, it would have been incompetence on a monumental scale.
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2014 04:23 pm
@hawkeye10,
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as well as with their nifty brand new gear.


And the spending power of the occupiers and the contracts for supply of local goods and services. An important consideration for the local economy in an area friendly to the presence of such bases.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 28 Mar, 2014 03:35 am
@hawkeye10,
Your other nonsense about "taking Crimea" has already been dealt with. As for "been on the upgrade for five years," after 15 years of decline, that's a case of four steps backward and one step forward. When is the last time the Russians have deployed a major new weapons system? Are you aware that the Soyuz rocket delivering one American astronaut and two Russian cosmonauts to the international space station has been orbiting the earth for two days, waiting to dock, while the Russians tried to figure out why they couldn't get their maneuvering rockets to work?

It must be really hard to kiss Russian ass when the evidence for your bullshit just isn't there, huh, Whackeye?
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 28 Mar, 2014 03:58 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
He took Crimea leaving US Intelligence and the Ukraine military flummoxed, that aint nothing.


On this very thread, back 23rd Feb, our very own Lordy posted this.

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And that brownish dot on the Crimea (at the very bottom of the map), is exactly where the Russian Black Sea Fleet is stationed.

http://able2know.org/topic/235935-3#post-5590006

Now, not to put Lordy down, but if he, a mere civilian, was able to see Crimea as a potential hotspot back in February, what makes you think the US intelligence were flummoxed? We would have been none the wiser to their spying on us all if Snowden hadn't let the cat out of the bag. Are you seriously saying Lordy has a better finger on the Russian pulse than the CIA, with all their resources?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 28 Mar, 2014 04:22 am
Guy Fauconbridge, the London bureau chief for Reuters, quoted the Russian military prosecutor as saying that 20% of all military procurement funds are stolen each year. Putin's ten year plan for the period 2011--2020 was to spend 630 billion USD in that period. At an average of 63 billion USD per annum, that means that more than 12 and half billion USD is being stolen each year. The Putin system in action, grassroots capitalism at its finest.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 28 Mar, 2014 04:28 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

Guy Fauconbridge, the London bureau chief for Reuters, quoted the Russian military prosecutor as saying that 20% of all military procurement funds are stolen each year. Putin's ten year plan for the period 2011--2020 was to spend 630 billion USD in that period. At an average of 63 billion USD per annum, that means that more than 12 and half billion USD is being stolen each year. The Putin system in action, grassroots capitalism at its finest.


no documentation from the expert named set, natch.

Here is some

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MOSCOW, July 11 (RIA Novosti) – The financial cost of corruption uncovered in the Russian Armed Forces this year has soared 450 percent from last year to over 4.4 billion rubles ($130 million), the Prosecutor General’s Office reported on Thursday.


http://en.ria.ru/crime/20130711/182183954/Corruption-up-450-in-a-Year-in-Russian-Forces--Prosecutors.html
Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 28 Mar, 2014 04:42 am
@hawkeye10,
You're hilarious--you whine about documentation (something you almost never provide, such as your claim about military upgrades in the last five years), and then you provide a source for Mr. Fauconbridge's claim right away. Since you're being so fussy about what i post (expecting me to meet a standard you never meet), here's a link to Mr. Faulconbridge's article.

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“Huge money is being stolen – practically every fifth rouble and the troops are still getting poor quality equipment and arms,” chief military prosecutor Sergei Fridinsky told Russia’s official gazette, Rossiiskaya Gazeta. “Every year more and more money is set aside for defense but the successes are not great,” he said, adding that kickbacks and fictitious contracts were being used to defraud the state.


If you expect me to meet a standard, try reliably meeting that standard yourself.
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revelette2
 
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Reply Fri 28 Mar, 2014 06:25 am
Russia must care a little about the UN resolution condemning the referendum as being invalid.

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(Reuters) - Russia said on Friday a U.N. resolution declaring invalid Crimea's Moscow-backed referendum on seceding from Ukraine was counterproductive and accused Western states of using blackmail and threats to drum up "yes" votes.

The non-binding resolution passed with 100 votes in favor, 11 against and 58 abstentions in the 193-nation U.N. General Assembly on Thursday, in a vote that Western nations said highlighted Russia's isolation.

"This counterproductive initiative only complicates efforts to resolve the domestic political crisis in Ukraine," the Russian Foreign Ministry said in a statement.

It accused Western states of using the "the full force of the unspent potential of the Cold War-era propaganda machine" to whip up support for the resolution.

"It is well-known what kind of shameless pressure, up to the point of political blackmail and economic threats, was brought to bear on a number of (U.N.) member states so they would vote 'yes'," the ministry said.

Several Western diplomats, however, have said Russia's U.N. envoy led an aggressive lobbying campaign against the resolution in what they said showed how seriously Moscow took the U.N. vote condemning a referendum that led to its annexation of Crimea.


source
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 28 Mar, 2014 07:24 am
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:
Russia must care a little about the UN resolution condemning the referendum as being invalid.
It's a non-binding resolution.
The International Court of Law reserves the expression ‘decision’ for binding resolutions and ‘recommendation’ for non-binding ones.
The term ‘resolution’ as used in UN practice has a generic sense, including recommendations and decisions, both of which have a vague and variable meaning in the UN-Charter.
(For instance, the USA and eight other countries [Canada, Czech Republic, Micronesia, Israel, Marshall Islands, Nauru, Palau and Panama] rejected the resolution upgrading Palestine to non-member observer state status in the United Nations.)
revelette2
 
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Reply Fri 28 Mar, 2014 08:06 am
@Walter Hinteler,
You know I am starting to get a little ticked off at some of you thinking I can not comprehend simple statements, I know it is non binding Walter. It was written in plain English in the article in my post. Nevertheless, Russia seemed to be concerned about it going on its reaction to the resolution and if true, the actions before the resolution.
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 28 Mar, 2014 08:31 am
@revelette2,
Rev: You know I am starting to get a little ticked off at some of you thinking I can not comprehend simple statements,
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That must come from numerous factual descriptions of what the USA really is and your ongoing incredibly gullible hugging of Uncle Sam, Rev.
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