I wonder if there are newish countries that joined the EU, for the benefits of younger people going to the more economically prosperous EU countries for jobs, that are secretly smiling about the situation in the Ukraine. Let's be honest, if the Ukraine joined the EU, how many Ukrainian younger people would pack their suitcases tonight to go to western Europe for a job? And, that job would have previously been held possibly by another EU member? The losers might be the western European countries that would have had a new demographic of cheap labor, eager to do all sorts of work, if the Ukraine became an EU member.
In effect, I would posit that everyone sees the situation from their own self-serving standpoint - international law is just a smokescreen, in my opinion?
The problem in western Europe might just be that the labor force in each country just doesn't want to do certain (humiliating?) jobs, like home health aid for the aged, etc. Many Western European elders might want a nice obsequious Eastern European home health aid to make them tea, and do their laundry?
@Foofie,
Foofie wrote:Many Western European elders might want a nice obsequious Eastern European home health aid to make them tea, and do their laundry?
Indeed that happens here quite often. But they get paid here as any other would get paid for the job - we got EU-laws, national labour laws and tariffs.
@Foofie,
Foofie wrote:I wonder if there are newish countries that joined the EU, for the benefits of younger people going to the more economically prosperous EU countries for jobs, that are secretly smiling about the situation in the Ukraine. Let's be honest, if the Ukraine joined the EU, how many Ukrainian younger people would pack their suitcases tonight to go to western Europe for a job? And, that job would have previously been held possibly by another EU member? The losers might be the western European countries that would have had a new demographic of cheap labor, eager to do all sorts of work, if the Ukraine became an EU member.
It would take longer than a decade to let them pack their suitcases ... if they wanted to wait until Ukraine becomes an EU-member state.
They can, however, come here like all the other Ukrainians, who are here.
@Foofie,
Foofie wrote:In effect, I would posit that everyone sees the situation from their own self-serving standpoint - international law is just a smokescreen, in my opinion?
How can countries trade if not regulated by some international laws? Tourism without international laws? ... ... ...
@Walter Hinteler,
Russia's Monroe doctrine. It's as reasonable as the M doctrine. Russia can say, as they are that they are protecting the rights of individuals, which they are. The USA mouthed that line but they never did protect anyone but their dictator du jour and us business interests.
The USA, caught between their hypocrisy and their hypocrisy!
Thanks, Walter. These issues have been on my mind.
Worrying times.
I've got the news on in the background and there's a mention of Ukraine preparing to get their 45,000 troops and families out of Crimea over the next few days.
Let's hope it all stops there, and Putin goes back to his topless fishing.
@Lordyaswas,
Quote:Let's hope it all stops there, and Putin goes back to his topless fishing.
I was reading an analysis yesterday that I agreed with that posits the idea that we should let Russia take Crimea with a who cares attitude but tell Russia no more, that they dont have the same freedom to take any more of Ukraine.
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Foofie wrote:Many Western European elders might want a nice obsequious Eastern European home health aid to make them tea, and do their laundry?
Indeed that happens here quite often. But they get paid here as any other would get paid for the job - we got EU-laws, national labour laws and tariffs.
My point was that native citizens in richer EU countries might not want the less prestigious jobs, while workers from a poorer EU country might be willing to do those jobs. If the Ukraine joined the EU, the younger Ukrainians would be competing, and possibly getting, the job a worker from a country with more EU "seniority" might have wanted. As the saying goes, "the early bird gets the worm"; however, if the Ukraine became an EU member, Ukrainians might be getting the proverbial worm (i.e., job in a richer EU country). The scale of pay is a non-sequitur to my point; I was only pointing out that job competition between poorer EU countries, for jobs in richer EU countries, seems to be a zero-sum game (aka, only one winner).
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Foofie wrote:In effect, I would posit that everyone sees the situation from their own self-serving standpoint - international law is just a smokescreen, in my opinion?
How can countries trade if not regulated by some international laws? Tourism without international laws? ... ... ...
I was talking about the preferences of those who gets to own Crimea. People want what serves their self-interests. Bringing in the legality, based on international law, is just adding weight to one's possible argument. People who do not have international law in their argument develop their own rationale. Everyone, in my opinion, wants to have the moral high-ground, so to speak. Even Hitler was claimed to be doing good, by "cleaning up Europe." Get it?
@Foofie,
Well, that might be so. And at least, it's done legally.
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Well, that might be so. And at least, it's done legally.
I do not know what you are alluding to, since you seem to be posting without explaining completely your point?
@Foofie,
Foofus: I do not know what you are alluding to
But then you are pretty damn thick.
@Foofie,
If some people from an EU-country move to another EU-country - that is done legally: EU-citizen have the right to move and reside freely within the territory of the EU. It does not matter whether to work or study there or just to visit as a tourist.
Well, dammit. I've searched everywhere to locate where I found mention of "Bush's sanctions."
I was wrong.
I impose a thirty day banishment of me from political pages to think about my error, and repent my ways.
(sits in corner)
@Lash,
Don't be silly.
We all get it wrong sometimes.
You're just one of the very few that will admit it.