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COUP IN KYIV?

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2014 07:16 am
@Walter Hinteler,
From Channel 4’s Lindsey Hilsum:

http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w641/Walter_Hinteler/a_zps8e0b751a.jpg
Lordyaswas
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2014 07:18 am
US President Imposes Property and Visa Sanctions - Sky News.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2014 07:50 am
@Lordyaswas,
Reuters is running fuller quotes from Rustam Temirgaliev, the Crimean vice premier, about the status of non-Russian forces in the region

The only lawful armed force on the territory of the Crimea is the Russian armed forces. Armed forces of any third country are occupiers. The Ukrainian armed forces have to choose: lay down their weapons, quit their posts, accept Russian citizenship and join the Russian military. If they do not agree, we are prepared to offer them safe passage from the territory of Crimea to their Ukrainian homeland.
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revelette2
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2014 08:26 am
WASHINGTON -- Congress is rushing to put in place hard-hitting sanctions on Russia in response to its takeover of Ukraine's Crimean Peninsula, hoping Europe will follow the lead of the United States in upping the pressure on President Vladimir Putin's government.

The U.S. sanctions push represents a rare case of broad agreement among the Obama administration and Democrats and Republicans in both houses of Congress. But they're also united in their concern that American economic penalties will mean little without the participation of European countries with far deeper commercial relations with Russia.

The Senate is taking the lead with legislation that would combine loan guarantees to Ukraine's fledgling government and measures against Russian government officials, state-owned banks and companies. The goal of the sanctions is to force Putin to withdraw Russian troops from Crimea. The bill could be introduced as early as next week.

Meanwhile, House Republicans have circulated a bill paying for the loan guarantees, while the top Republican and Democrat on the House Foreign Affairs Committee introduced a resolution Wednesday condemning Russia's actions in Ukraine and calling on the Obama administration to impose "visa, financial, trade and other sanctions." The committee will address the resolution Thursday after hearing testimony from State Department and Treasury officials.

Since last weekend, Russian troops have taken control of much of the peninsula on the Black Sea, where ethnic Russians are the majority. Moscow doesn't recognize the Ukrainian leadership that came to power after protesters ousted the country's pro-Russian president last month. Putin and other officials have cited strategic interests as well as the protection of ethnic Russians in making the case for intervention.

Much of the West's focus so far has been on securing an aid package for deeply indebted Ukraine and finding a diplomatic solution to the standoff with Russia. But with the Kremlin showing little tractability, the focus is turning toward sanctions.

NATO's 28 nations decided Wednesday to suspend a joint mission with Russia, as well as planned civilian and military meetings. Washington has halted military and economic talks. The U.S. and the European members of the Group of Eight industrialized nations — Germany, Britain, Italy and France — all have halted preparations for a planned June summit in Russia's Black Sea resort of Sochi.

The Senate bill hopes to go further.

Sen. Chris Murphy, D-Conn., who heads a Senate subcommittee on the region, told reporters the package would blacklist Russian individuals, banks and petrochemical companies. But he said it was vital that the United States not act alone.

"Our sanctions are pretty toothless without Europe as part of that package," said Murphy, who is spearheading the bill along with Sens. Bob Menendez and Bob Corker, the Democratic chairman and top Republican on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

"Europe is not where they need to be right now," he said. "I think they are willing to give Putin a much longer leash than we are."

While EU foreign ministers have threatened Russia with "targeted measures," the rhetoric in Brussels is far more cautious than in Washington. That's because any action targeting influential Russian businessmen or major Russian companies would also harm Europe's economic interests. Russian investors hold assets worth billions in European banks, particularly in Britain and Cyprus.

Britain is protective of London's huge financial industry and is reluctant to undermine the sector as the country crawls out of recession. The British hesitance to act was seen on a government document caught on camera by a film crew when a British official carrying it was walking by the prime minister's office. The document, which was filmed, then enlarged, said Britain "should not support for now trade sanctions or close London's financial center to Russians."

Germany, which gets a third of its gas supplies from Russia, has similarly urged patience. Altogether, Russia is the European Union's third-largest trading partner, mainly because of oil and gas imports, but also due to significant Russian purchases of European machinery, cars and other exports.

EU countries sold $170 billion worth of goods to Russia in 2012; U.S. exports to Russia barely exceeded $11 billion last year.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., has voiced support for sanctions against Moscow while stressing the need for coordination with European allies. In the House, Rep. Ed Royce, the Republican chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, has made the same argument.

Economic and diplomatic measures are about the only form of pressure the U.S. is considering at the moment.

Testifying Wednesday before the Senate Armed Services Committee, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said the U.S. was stepping up joint aviation training with Polish forces and increasing American participation in NATO's air-policing mission in its Baltic countries. But neither he nor Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey mentioned any military options.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/03/06/3977355/congress-rushing-to-put-in-place.html#storylink=cpy
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2014 08:58 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
MPs in Crimea have asked Moscow to allow the southern Ukrainian region to become part of the Russian Federation.

Parliament said if its request was granted, Crimean citizens could give their view in a referendum on 16 March.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26465962

16th March is no time at all, less than a fortnight, so rushed as to be almost meaningless, and, as already pointed out, dead easy to rig. Scotland won't be having a referendum until 18th September, and that's been planned for years.
JTT
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2014 09:17 am
@Foofie,
Foofie: How charming; however, I am a product of the U.S. educational system.
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Hence your abysmal ignorance on USA history
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farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2014 09:42 am
@izzythepush,
I will bet a small denom coin that the Econ meetings today will propose only moderately ineffective sanctions . Everyone of the EU is so tied to the Russian economy that its almost stupid NOT to invite Russia into the EU as a path to a solution .
Putin may be called a lot of things, but inarticulate and guileless are not two of them
Lordyaswas
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2014 09:44 am
@farmerman,
God 'elp us. The EU is corrupt enough already!

I feel all faint, guv'nor.
Ragman
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2014 09:48 am
@Lordyaswas,
I'm a bit unclear and politically naïve (i guess). How do you mean EU is corrupt? By EU do you mean European Union or the European continent?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2014 09:51 am
@farmerman,
I don't know, if the rushed referendum goes Moscow's way, the Moslem Tatars may stir up a bit of grief. Chechnya is still causing problems, and Crimea is every bit as mountainous.
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Lordyaswas
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2014 09:55 am
@Ragman,
The European Union, ragman.

Try asking Walter to tell you the last year that the accountants 'signed off' (balanced the books) on the EU yearly audit.

Twenty years now, is it?

Millions and millions have disappeared over the years. If it was a company with shareholders, the fraud squad would be called in on a regular basis.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/9097659/Britain-refuses-to-sign-off-on-EU-budget.html
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2014 09:57 am
@Ragman,
Some of it may be a bit tongue in cheek, but if you want to hear a load of gripes about the EU, follow this link to UKIP.
http://www.ukip.org/

Their leader is a nice level headed chap called Nigel Farage.
http://www.sickchirpse.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Nigel-Farage-e1368754028498.jpg
Ragman
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2014 10:08 am
@izzythepush,
I thought it was Merkel (head of the EU). I'm so dumb about this..(or lazy).
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2014 10:14 am
@Ragman,
Merkel is the German Chancellor. The EU has various heads.
Lordyaswas
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2014 10:21 am
Isn't it Herman Van Rumpypump on Wednesdays through to Saturday, then Manuel Barharistarosso Sunday to Tuesday?

I think....

And they work out of Strasbourg, but move the whole she-bang over to Brussels when the moule are in season.
Foofie
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2014 10:23 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Your waffle does nothing to mitigate your ignorance, it only confirms it.

Why did you think the Baltic states weren't 'fully fledged' NATO members?




My supposed "ignorance" is not a pejorative in the U.S., since many Americans do not care if Europe goes to Hell in a handbasket, so to speak, in my opinion. It is a cultivated ignorance based on only valuing that which is American. Foreigners have had too many wars that in other centuries Americans got sacrificed. Anyone in Europe watch NASCAR?

In my opinion, this forum allows Europeans to feel superior to Americans, based on more knowledge of the world. And, also those Americans that pride themselves in their wide political/historical knowledge base. Thank God Sabin and Salk just focussed on their vaccines, and not world events.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2014 10:32 am
@Lordyaswas,
Ehem. Well, that is the British understanding - they think, it works the same way as in the UK. But it doesn't. And the related treaties/laws were signed by the UK as well. (Difficulties are there indeed, in the Audit Regulatory Committee. And then, all has to be transcribed to the UK Code of Practice for the relationship between supervisors and auditors as well. [The UK has a so-called "Britain rabate", a rebate on the United Kingdom's contribution to the EU budge, which must be paid back to HM Government by the other EU-countries via the EU].)
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2014 10:32 am
@Foofie,
The other American posters find it just as annoying. I think they'd prefer it if you kept quiet about your nationality. You may as well revel in your ignorance, it's all you've got. As for your proclamation on what other Americans think, I'd rather listen to Americans with brains, you've got a track record of being wrong.

Btw, the phrase is 'Hell in a handcart.' It's a reference to carting off plague victims, you can't get many corpses in a hand basket.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2014 10:33 am
@Ragman,
Ragman wrote:
I thought it was Merkel (head of the EU). I'm so dumb about this..(or lazy).

The 'head' of the EU is EU Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso.
Foofie
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2014 10:33 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Leaders from the Ukrainian Jewish community, which is mainly Russian-speaking, have written an open letter to Vladimir Putin, rejecting his argument that minorities in the country feel under threat.
Open letter of Ukrainian Jews to Russian Federation President Vladimir Putin


That might really mean that the level of anti-Semitism is at its usual level; no change? When did Ukrainians become philo-Semites? Valter, sometimes you make good humour.

If the letter was coming from a Jewish community in Southern Europe, like in Spain, or Italy, (or Britain or Ireland) I'd think that community had nothing to worry about. But, the neck-of-the-woods you speak of has a grand history of scapegoating Jews, especially after a little inebriation, in my opinion.
 

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