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COUP IN KYIV?

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 5 Mar, 2014 11:28 am
A really interesting article by the Housum professor of history at Yale, Timothy Snyder - which partly gives an answer to Foofie's post(s):
If Russia swallows Ukraine, the European system is finished
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 5 Mar, 2014 11:34 am
@Foofie,
Foofie wrote:
Can anyone really think Russia would allow an EU country, on their border, solidify a new identity with becoming a full-fledged NATO member?

EU-countries

http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w641/Walter_Hinteler/a_zpsc6d0b29b.jpg


NATO-countries

http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w641/Walter_Hinteler/b_zps7f9c7b67.jpg
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 5 Mar, 2014 11:37 am
Now, now, Walter . . . lots of people have problems like that . . . geography is hard!
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 5 Mar, 2014 11:47 am
@Setanta,
I know. But I'd thought, ashkenazi Jews were educated, even with the US-educational system as sole source.
Foofie
 
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Reply Wed 5 Mar, 2014 12:14 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

I know. But I'd thought, ashkenazi Jews were educated, even with the US-educational system as sole source.


I said "full-fledged" NATO member. You have not proven anything, other than your ability to put our social intercourse into a context of my ethnicity, as opposed to my American education ONLY. You are proving your inability to see me as anything other than a Jew; you, you, you descendant of free farmers!

Actually, I am quite accustomed to that attitude from those raised in the Catholic faith. Perhaps, early brainwashing that anyone that is not Catholic must be pigeon-holed, in my opinion and experience. Protestants just have so much more toleration, in my opinion; at least American ones do. That might correlate to the greater tendency of being from a more educated social class possibly?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 5 Mar, 2014 12:36 pm
@Foofie,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Foofie wrote:
Can anyone really think Russia would allow an EU country, on their border, solidify a new identity with becoming a full-fledged NATO member?
I must have missunderstood that "full-fledged" - and I didn't know that e.g. the Baltic states had a different NATO-status to what is generally known.

I got my education on town-run, coeducational schools and state-run universities.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 5 Mar, 2014 12:49 pm
@Foofie,
The Baltic States Lithuania Latvia and Estonia are all fully fledged NATO states, and they all border Russia.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 5 Mar, 2014 12:50 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
OOPs we crossed.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 5 Mar, 2014 12:50 pm
@Foofie,
Foofie wrote:
You have not proven anything,


He's proven you're pig ignorant.
Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 5 Mar, 2014 12:54 pm
@izzythepush,
Huh . . . it's not like that's hard.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 5 Mar, 2014 12:57 pm
I've known some pretty smart pigs.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 5 Mar, 2014 01:08 pm
Are you saying that Izzy had defamed pigs?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 5 Mar, 2014 01:10 pm
@Setanta,
Good point, I'd like to take this opportunity to apologise to all pigs for suggesting any of them are as ignorant as Foofie.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 5 Mar, 2014 01:28 pm
This is a map of the European Union versus Eurasian Customs Union

http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w641/Walter_Hinteler/a_zpsa33bef1a.jpg
Iceland is now out ... (Hint: it doesn't border Russia.)
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 5 Mar, 2014 01:34 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
There's actually just now a friendly football ("soccer") mat between Ukraine and the USA, but they play in Larnaka/Cyprus. (30 minute now, Ukraine leads 1:0)
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 5 Mar, 2014 01:38 pm
@izzythepush,
I'm not sure Russia's losing the rhetorical war... Obama is beginning to look weak (not just by the usual suspects). Who really loses if we all lock down trade? http://money.cnn.com/2014/03/05/news/economy/russia-sanctions-west/index.html

Do our local economists agree or disagree with this article?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 5 Mar, 2014 01:58 pm
@izzythepush,
The Baltic Air Policing is done this year by the USAirforce - today it was announced that six more F15 will be sent to Šiauliai Airbase in Lithuania (Ämari in Estonia might be a second base)
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 5 Mar, 2014 02:58 pm
Quote:
5 March 2014 – The United Nations has confirmed that Senior Advisor Robert Serry is in good shape physically after being threatened today during his visit to Crimea, Ukraine, by armed men who ordered him to leave the region.

“He was met outside the main naval headquarters by a number of unidentified men who were saying that he should leave Crimea and go to the airport,” Deputy Secretary-General Jan Eliasson told reporters in New York, as he briefed via telephone from the Ukrainian capital, Kiev.

Mr. Serry apparently returned to his vehicle, and when the car could not drive away, he walked back to his hotel accompanied by a UN colleague.

“On his way to the hotel he stopped by a cafe to call me, and that’s when we talked,” said Mr. Eliasson.

Mr. Serry, who was dispatched to Crimea to take stock of the situation there, had been relying on Ukrainian authorities for security. He was threatened but not kidnapped, the deputy UN chief stressed.

“He expects that all authorities that have control of the situation will continue to guarantee his safe return to the hotel and continued work. Otherwise, he will be forced to come back to Kiev to continue his work from here.”

A UN spokesperson later confirmed that Mr. Serry is taking a flight out of Simferopol and will return to Kiev to continue his mission.

In Kiev, Mr. Eliasson has continued to meet with authorities, stressing the need for calm and international unity in the pursuit of peace amid the ongoing crisis in the country.

“I don’t think I’ve ever made so many references to the UN Charter,” he told reporters in reference to UN Charter principles of unity, sovereignty and territorial integrity. Mr. Eliasson is known to carry a copy of the Charter with him at all times, and was earlier today photographed holding up the little blue booklet while calling for a de-escalation of tensions between Kiev and Moscow.

Meanwhile, Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, who is on an official visit to Sierra Leone, has announced that he is sending Assistant Secretary-General for Human Rights Ivan Šimonovic to Kiev and the eastern part of Ukraine, including Crimea, to monitor the human rights situation.

Mr. Šimonovic is expected to travel to Crimea over the weekend.
Source: UN news center
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 5 Mar, 2014 03:08 pm
@Lash,
Russia has resorted to lies. The notion that the troops guarding Ukrainian airbases are not Russian soldiers, but irregular Ukrainian militia, is ludicrous.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 5 Mar, 2014 03:11 pm
Kerry and Deshchytsia are on the same side, but their national soccer / football teams aren't: Ukraine won 2:0
 

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