Both posts quite fascinating, Set and Lash. As more meat gets put on the bone, the more I am beginning to think that Crimea will be the sticking point in all the major negotiations yet to come.
@Lordyaswas,
Quote:Both posts quite fascinating,
I agree.lash seems to be able to ferret out the most germane articles on the internet...
and Set's love of history is evident in his detailed posts.
@panzade,
Didn't he copy it from Wikipedia, Pan?
Lordy and Pan, you are both very kind. I agree with Lordy--the Crimean will be the most likely flash-point between Russia and the Ukraine.
@Setanta,
You take a rest, Set, and Lordy will shovel for a while.
@Lordyaswas,
Lordyaswas wrote:As more meat gets put on the bone, the more I am beginning to think that Crimea will be the sticking point in all the major negotiations yet to come.
It was only in 1954 that Crimea was given to the
Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic by the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet. Historians still have no real clue why Russia gave away Crimea, but Russia won't let that gift get too far away.
@revelette2,
I think you pulled that outta ...ok, thin air, revel. The conservative ethos is diametrically opposed to the socialism /overlord BS characterized by that weird shirtless G-Man, Putin. Please share evidence of your claim that conservatives align with Putin.
@Lash,
Gunga Dim idolizes Putin and would gladly suck his weenie. Finn just showed up to argue with anyone about anything. I agree with you. There is absolutely no reason to slur conservatives by associating them with Putin.
Comment @ The Independent:
Unlikely odds of a Russia-Crimea reunification
Quote:[skipping the 'history part'] ... ... ...
Any “merger” or “re-unification” of Russia and Crimea would moreover be pretty straightfoward geographically. The two are separated by the mere 2.5 mile-wide strait that divides the Black Sea from the Sea of Azov, while Crimea can also be easily reached through territory in eastern Ukraine historically sympathetic to Russia.
But there are strong reasons events may not come to this. The new government in Kiev is extremely unlikely to do anything to directly provoke the Kremlin, for instance by demanding the Black Sea Fleet’s withdrawal from Sevastopol. President Putin may also think twice. For one thing, Ukraine with its 46 million people is a very different proposition from tiny Georgia. And while Russians are a majority in Crimea, there are also significant Ukrainian and Crimean Tatar groups (24 per cent and 12 per cent) who have made common cause against any Russian intervention.
@Setanta,
Many USA conservatives and not so conservatives were enamoured of Hitler so why do you think it's such a stretch, Lash, Set?
@panzade,
Miss Barack needs to straighten that back and lift her right shoulder.
@panzade,
I was curious of the original picture:
@Lash,
I actually didn't pull it out of thin air, but perhaps painted with too broad of a brush.
Quote:
The counterintuitive argument that Putin should be considered a hero of American conservatives probably originated with the founder of this magazine who asked last year whether in “the culture war for mankind’s future,” Russian President Vladimir Putin was “one of us,” speculating that the former member of the Soviet Communist Party and ex-KGB agent was, well, a paleoconservative.
Other conservative-leaning pundits perpetuated the meme. Matt Drudge called Putin the “leader of the free world,” while Victor Davis Hanson, who in what sounded like a bizarre S&M fantasy, ruminated that “Putin is almost Milton’s Satan–as if, in his seductive evil, he yearns for clarity, perhaps even a smackdown, if not just for himself, for us as well.”
More recently, the British Spectator magazine published a big “think” piece suggesting that Putin actually hopes to become the “the leader of global social conservatism.” The Daily Show even ran a spoof titled, “Better Off Red,” which portrayed Russia as the new “conservative paradise.”
source
On one of the CBC's evening radio news shows, they spoke with Eugenia Timoshenko, daughter of Yulia Timoshenko, by phone It was basically a panegyric, suggesting that she had invigorated the protestors in Maidan Square. When asked directly about charges that Yulia had been corrupt and a grafter, her daughter said that since European democracies and nations like Canada had called her a political prisoner, she clearly was not corrupt. (? . . . someone will need to help with the logic of that.) She then contrasted Yulia with Yanokoviych, murdering citizens in the street. Finally, she dismissed such charges as rumors started by those who will oppose her in upcoming elections.
@Setanta,
Since from what I gathered here today from reading in this forum, this protest stemmed from a protest of Yanokoviych cutting of ties to EU and the EU and Canada called her a political prisoner (names?) , (she says) it proves she is not in cahoots with them so to speak. (my words)
@Setanta,
Set: There is absolutely no reason to slur conservatives by associating them with Putin.
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That woul slur Putin.
@revelette2,
That's a pretty bizarre interpretation. Eugenia Timoshenko was saying that as these democratic nations called her mother a political prisoner (that's not name-calling, where did you come up with that absurdity?), she must not have been corrupt.
