Death of a Hero - Pat Tillman

Yes you did not use my name but you used the pronoun "you".

In English, the pronoun "you" when addressing me will almost always reference me thusly removing the need to address me by name.

Address this to the person you are agreeing with then. Close down the straw man factory

Now you are moving to the fallacy of equivocation Lusatian. But because you do not understand the implications of that logical fallacy we'll skip past it.

By that definition the 9/11 hijackers are all heroes.

Your comment on the "subjective matter of what is right" is a hilarious example of vacillation embodied in "freethinking". If you can't even pin down "something you think is right" you are incredibly anchorless. I said he left a life of fame and money to do what he believed to be right, then I compared it with us doing something similar.

Once again you attempt to desguise your initial resistance to the notion that an American soldier may actually be a hero. Only this time you revert to criticizing my "debate skills" and picking at semantics.

Well, I guess my debating skills aren't up to par with the official London Debate Association rules and regulations. Craven, your rants of straw men attacks and ad hominem statements is not going to make you look any smarter, to me at least.

I already think you are smart so such posturing is redundant.

Craven de Kere wrote:

By that definition the 9/11 hijackers are all heroes.

Yes, they are. Read the post where I address that to Kickycan.

Craven, last two things. First, you know as well as I do that I never considered Jessica Lynch a "hero".

For you to attempt to indicate this about me...

... even after all the other swipes, in the attempt to make me appear a sentimentalist is small and disappointing that you are lying about something that was express between us.

Secondly, why do you pretend that I don't know you?

I've known just about every action you've commited throughout your life, and most of the thoughts and feelings you've had towards things.

You would not leave fame and fortune to join the Army.

Would we walk away from millions of dollars to do what we felt is right?

Now you will say "of course not join the Army, but I may if I was doing what I thought was right."

And that my friend is exactly the point I made with my mocking your wavering comment on the "subjectivism of right".

In other words, Craven. If you can't respect leaving millions (which, you wouldn't) to do what YOU, Craven thought was right, based on "oh, well, you see, it is a subjective matter of what is right". Then you are anchorless because what YOU Craven think is right apparently is "subjective, yes, could be this, could be that, you know, you see ...".

Regardless of Pat Tillman's political affiliation, he was a hero. He was a volunteer. He had a sense of pride, dignity and honor that some of our neighbors will never understand. I think it's a miracle that this country, in the face of today's deliberately manipulated, narcissistic culture, still produces gentlemen like this.

They went to different high schools together.

Here's a nice comment from a local Phoenix bulletin board:

Regardless of Pat Tillman's political affiliation, he was a hero. He was a volunteer. He had a sense of pride, dignity and honor that some of our neighbors will never understand. I think it's a miracle that this country, in the face of today's deliberately manipulated, narcissistic culture, still produces gentlemen like this.