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Destroy My Belief System, Please!

 
 
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 7 May, 2014 02:49 pm
@fresco,
fresco wrote:

Peer reviews happen live every first Tuesday in the month.
Copies of current papers are available on request. (You could disguise them in the pages of the N.J. Star Ledger while you are waiting for a haircut !)




Like I said...a bag of air...of wind...using lots of words to say damn near nothing.
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fresco
 
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Reply Wed 7 May, 2014 02:51 pm
@Germlat,
True...but I do tend to get a good grilling from at least one of the Oxford graduates who is pushing her book "The Making of God".
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 7 May, 2014 02:51 pm
@Frank Apisa,
You mean "ultimate"?
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 7 May, 2014 03:07 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

You mean "ultimate"?


Olivier...I have mentioned that I think "REALITY" "ultimate REALITY" and just plain "reality"...are all the same thing...just using variant wording.

I have mentioned that I prefer "ultimate REALITY'...and that is why I use it.

Now look at your question again...and figure out its answer on your own.


I am still waiting for an example of a "contradiction."

If you would attempt to find an example here in this thread...at some point you will actually see why I agree (with the qualification) that you can logically say that you "know" the things you said you know. But you did not qualify your comments in a way that makes that reasonable.

If you are truly interested in having his discussion...rather than just yanking my chain...we can have it. But we are not going to play this game you seem intent on playing...and I am not going to jump through hoops to make the conversation continue.


In an earlier post you asked me to explain my contradictions.

http://able2know.org/topic/232727-32#post-5657235

I say there are no contradictions.

Do what I just did. Go find at least one contradiction...and post it (with the link) and we can discuss what was said in context...and resolve whatever you think has to be resolved.

(There are no contradictions!)
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 7 May, 2014 03:07 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Or...just acknowledge that you can find NO contradictions. And then we can move on.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 7 May, 2014 03:11 pm
@fresco,
Philosophy was my minor. Rolling Eyes Shocked Wink
Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 7 May, 2014 03:34 pm
@Frank Apisa,
You have a bad temper and no patience whatsoever. I have tried to understand your mumbo jumbo with far more openness that you deserve, and far more than you will ever display... If you don't even have the courage to articulate and defend your position, why should anyone else bother about them?

Either you know many things about reality, or you don't. Which one is it?

Here are your precious precious quotes:

Quote:
I do not know much, if anything, about the ultimate REALITY

http://able2know.org/topic/232727-28#post-5655729

Quote:
With the qualifier, I do know many things.

http://able2know.org/topic/232727-32#post-5657218


cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 7 May, 2014 03:49 pm
@Olivier5,
Quote:
Quote:
Frank, I do not know much, if anything, about the ultimate REALITY

http://able2know.org/topic/232727-28#post-5655729

Quote:
Frank, With the qualifier, I do know many things.

http://able2know.org/topic/232727-32#post-5657218


When any one individual claims he doesn't know much about ultimate REALITY, then says, "with the qualifier, I do know many things." it is a direct contradiction.

How can anyone know "many things," when they don't know about ultimate REALITY?" Logic 101, any one?
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fresco
 
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Reply Wed 7 May, 2014 03:54 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Some of the "better" philosophers did not read it as their major. (Notably, Wittgenstein was an engineer and allegedly never read up on the Greeks)
My own training was mainly in psychology and pure maths, with "logic and scientific method" as a philosophy component. Graduate work on speech perception involved reading up on the then shift in philosophy towards linguistic issues.
In my experience, any research in perception (especially for publication) really forces the experimenter to consider the dynamics of interaction of "observer" and "observed" in such detail that lay views of an "objective reality" become as useless as "a flat earth" is to astronauts, despite the fact that "a flat earth" is useful for our thoughts about local terrestrial travel. From this sketch it should be apparent why I roll my eyes when I hear comments about "reality" as though it's meaning were not context dependent.
( late emphasis having read comments above)
Apologies for the lecture.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 7 May, 2014 04:18 pm
@Olivier5,
But frank did articulate his position. Frank,
Quote:
With the qualifier, I do know many things.


From his position, he can insult everybody and anybody. That's been proven ad nauseum. I think over 80% of his posts tells everybody, he "knows many things."

Even when his "reality" is in question.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 7 May, 2014 04:35 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

You have a bad temper and no patience whatsoever. I have tried to understand your mumbo jumbo with far more openness that you deserve, and far more than you will ever display... If you don't even have the courage to articulate and defend your position, why should anyone else bother about them? Either you know many things about reality, or you don't. Which one is it?


I do not have a bad temper...and I have damn near infinite patience. I'll stay here and discuss this with you forever...or until one of us dies.

What I say is not mumbo jumbo.

I have defended my position for years now...which seems to be the problem with some people. Now you are suggesting I am not defending it.

If you do not want to discuss this issue with me...by all means, go discuss something else with someone else.

Quote:

Here are your precious precious quotes:

Quote:
I do not know much, if anything, about the ultimate REALITY

http://able2know.org/topic/232727-28#post-5655729

Quote:
With the qualifier, I do know many things.

http://able2know.org/topic/232727-32#post-5657218





And what, pray tell, do you see as contradictory about them?

I see nothing whatever contradictory in them whatever.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 7 May, 2014 04:39 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

But frank did articulate his position. Frank,
Quote:
With the qualifier, I do know many things.


From his position, he can insult everybody and anybody. That's been proven ad nauseum. I think over 80% of his posts tells everybody, he "knows many things."

Even when his "reality" is in question.


For you to be talking about insults is an absurdity, ci.

I go for weeks without any kind of insult.

You seldom go a full post without calling someone stupid...or much worse.

You are the single most insulting poster in A2K.

Anyone reading here...just go to ci's home page...and start clicking on his posts. You will be amazed if you ever come to one that does not have a very insulting remark included.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 7 May, 2014 04:42 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
I see nothing whatever contradictory in them whatever.

Okay. I guess you can't see very well.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 7 May, 2014 04:42 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

Quote:
I see nothing whatever contradictory in them whatever.

Okay. I guess you can't see very well.


Point out the contradiction!
Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 7 May, 2014 04:43 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Why should I?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 7 May, 2014 04:44 pm
@Olivier5,
Best answer.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 7 May, 2014 04:45 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

Why should I?


Because there is none there...and I want to see what you will invent.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 7 May, 2014 05:03 pm
@Frank Apisa,
They've been pointed to you already, but you failed to see them.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 7 May, 2014 05:19 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

They've been pointed to you already, but you failed to see them.


There is no contradiction in the two postings...so you could not possibly have
"pointed to" them.

That has been pointed out to you...but you refuse to accept it.

Point out the contradiction that you see.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 7 May, 2014 05:25 pm
@Frank Apisa,
There are there for everyone to see. YOU don't SEE them, that's all.
 

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