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Destroy My Belief System, Please!

 
 
AugustineBrother
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2016 09:05 am
@Thomas,
I am a Catholic and a convert and maybe the main reason is I didn't want just 'my belief system' until I found out if for example Jesus is the Son of God and whether He instituted a Church.

I will not destroy your system but I would tremble to base ultimates on my frailty. You seem comfortable with that, I can not in any way relate to that.
That's just me, not a criticism
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AugustineBrother
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2016 09:07 am
@neologist,
I am averse to brocolli but I eat it. The fact of bias has no ultimate ramifications unless you are denying reason the ability to see despite personal feelings about what is seen.
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AugustineBrother
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2016 09:11 am
@Thomas,
Thomas,

You have the same reasoning as Newman but you appear to reject the conclusion

: “Many a man will live and die upon a dogma: no man will be a martyr for a conclusion . . . . No one, I say, will die for his calculations: he dies for realities.”

Newman followed Jesus and with much suffering became a Catholic after years of fighting Catholicism

Jesus beats any Conjecture...When no one line of argument leads you anywher the sum of many arguments in toto can serve as the start of Faith. But as I said you reject this

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2016 10:41 am
@AugustineBrother,
Proof that the bible is wrong:
http://godisimaginary.com/i1.htm
Let us know the next time you pray for something that has been answered by your god.
BTW, there have been research done on the effectiveness of prayer. It found that prayers that go beyond the third person has no effect. Prayers for self or from family and friends do have an effect. I don't know what they call it, but it seems prayers do work in those limited circumstances. Maybe, a social psychologist can answer the whys.
AugustineBrother
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jul, 2016 11:36 am
@cicerone imposter,
Then the real question is, Should I take what I know and ignore it because of you?
But then you refuse to take what you know and change because of me.

Bottom Line; You lord your views over everybody else. Okay, you don't believe in prayer. Fine. Who gives a ____
Thomas33
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jul, 2016 06:44 pm
It's possible that facts are always a fiction, just true relative to the absence of the required level of understanding.
This is frustrating, because it means at every juncture understanding is identical to no knowledge, or perhaps the inability to communicate.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jul, 2016 07:00 pm
@AugustineBrother,
You can ignore anything I post on a2k. That's your right. It would be simpler for you to put me on Ignore.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jul, 2016 07:04 pm
@AugustineBrother,
You can ignore anything I post on a2k. That's your right. It would be simpler for you to put me on Ignore.

According to this Washington Times article, 84% of the world population believes in a god.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2012/dec/23/84-percent-world-population-has-faith-third-are-ch/

BTW, there are five major religions in this world.
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PeteOlcott
 
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Reply Tue 26 Jul, 2016 10:00 pm
@Thomas,
That seems to make just about perfect sense to me.
Your (2) is the most fundamental basis for the actual design of the universe.
I phrase your (2) as Maximize joy and minimize suffering in the world.
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relax12
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2016 06:45 am
@Thomas,
You can believe in facts even if the balance of evidence does not support it if you have seen something and experienced it yourself. For instance: Aliens or Ghosts. This doesn't mean that what you have seen is real or that you are sane but if you have seen it, you will probably believe it over all other evidence. To be fair there can be other situations that would not be controversial (unbelievable by most) or involve your sanity where you might be swayed to the less logical side.
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Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Wed 24 Aug, 2016 07:00 am
@Thomas33,
Relative facts are no fiction...
Phenomena in reality does not diminish its value under relative logic junctures. Per se every phenomena is absolutely true.
An illusion is a true illusion, comes to mind.
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Love2Love
 
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Reply Sun 27 May, 2018 09:30 pm
@Thomas,
Hi there Thomas.

I can't possibly read all these replies so l'll just reply to your OP.

"Believe in facts if the balance of the evidence supports them, and for no other reason."

"Believe in values if acting on them will tend to increase the overall surplus of happiness over suffering, and for no other reason"


1. There's more to life than facts and morals / dogma and morals.
Actually l can't think what else there is.
Maybe: the method by which you do things. For example, making prayer books by cutting down acres of forest where nobody lives. Bad method!

2. The evidence might be wrong. A subset of this is confirmation bias.

3. "Values = good IF total happiness increases."

The most troubling thing is our quest for happiness. Must be more discerning. Free crystal meth for all? That's what you're saying dude.

Sex cult? Great. So when you're 90, nobody wants you. You're worth nothing to the sex cult but overall population is okay with it.



SUMMARY: Your embryonic religion is lacking discernment (incliuding: a concept of method), and discernment comes from wisdom and foresight, which in turn come from, je ne sais quoi. I mean, one doesn't one day wake up and decide to obtain these qualities.
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