@Frank Apisa,
Come on Frank, a bit of courage! You launched this topic. In a fit of temerity, you chose a topic you have discussed hundreds of times, for thousands and thousands of posts... A subject you know by heart, for you don't trust yourself enough to tread on any new topic, do you? Scared to have to think and chew gum at the same time, Frank?
Anyway, certainly after all this time pondering on the issue, you can articulate a workable definition of "ultimate", in the phrase "ultimate reality"... If you don't, the implications are earth-shattering, or not so much perhaps...
For all these years of talking about it, you didn't have a clue what you were talking about???