Does finite sin deserve infinite punishment?

But for example one scripture says "kill gays and witches", but Jesus said "Don't kill anybody".
My understanding is that we should therefore dismiss the first one, or am I wrong?

Think I'm confused again. with the whole conversation.

Fabulini. We all know your secret. It's okay.

Good for you mate, let's talk about something important for a change..
For example what are your hobbies and interests and opinions on all sorts of stuff like Ben Bailey being cruel by kicking people out of the Cash Cab without a penny after getting 3 strikes?
Shouldn't he at least let them walk with half the money they've won up til then?

In some churches sins are very specific things, they are listed, and suicide is listed, so it is a sin, end of story.

There are many points of church doctrine that “are not in the Bible”, does not meant they are not doctrine.

No Trinity, has to be inferred.
But the Trinity is church doctrine in over 90% (as a guess) of the churches, and over half absolutely.
That is churches, not believers. Believers who accept the Trinity are probably in the 99% range.

That comes from the Apostle’s creed.
At one time it was a “test” for new Christians.
Many modern Anabaptists have an injunction against reciting creeds such as this, do not consider them of significance.
Even though they do not use these during church service like other churches, they do for the most part agree with all the points.

I think there are several points in them that are considered ”Biblical”, but you can not go to this verse of this book and see it. It is inferred.
Many churches teach as a Biblical Truth, that the body is god’s temple, so no booze, no caffeine, no tobacco. You can not point to any book or verse where it says this, but it is a Biblical teaching.

So it is with suicide.
You say you can’t find it, they say it is in there.

Manifest Destiny had Biblical justification, but you can not point to the book or verse that contains it. The Puritans found it, and massacred native American women and children (Pequot nation), for the glory of god, and the white man’s Manifest Destiny.

Lots of things can be found in the bible, that others do not see.

In the cre4eds below, the word "catholic" refers not to the Roman Catholic Church, but to the universal church of the Lord Jesus Christ.
A I recall JWs have some problems with some points. Maybe the Resident JW will point out if there is disagreement.
I would be interesting in hearing - but not responding.


I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
the Creator of heaven and earth,
and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord:
Who was conceived of the Holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried.
He descended into hell.
The third day He arose again from the dead.
He ascended into heaven
and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty,
whence He shall come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy *catholic church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and life everlasting.
Amen.
There is also the Nicene Creed:
The Nicene Creed
We believe in one God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds, God of God, Light of Light, Very God of Very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father by whom all things were made; who for us men, and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the Virgin Mary, and was made man, and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate. He suffered and was buried, and the third day he rose again according to the Scriptures, and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father. And he shall come again with glory to judge both the quick and the dead, whose kingdom shall have no end.
And we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of Life, who proceedeth from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified, who spoke by the prophets. And we believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins. And we look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

I don't give a rat's ass what churches say mate, end of story..

Be careful bhn. Romeo is having his [moments].

There is a bigger problem with that. As soon as one dismisses any passage of scripture, the entire idea of divinely-inspired scriptural infallibility goes right out the window. If any of it is not infallible, all of it is subject to reasonable, skeptical questioning.

Everyone has questions. You act as if that's a new thing. setanta.

Thank you for explaining this to Romeo, Set.

Neo has a problem with forgetting the unnecessary.

You have posted a vast array of straw men which cannot be defended with scripture.
1] Trinity
2] Creeds, or recitation of prayers
3] Manifest Destiny (also the Monroe Doctrine)
4] The type of slavery formerly practiced in the US. (I just threw this in for Frank's sake.)
5] Body is God's Temple. Major scripture I can think of for not smoking or abusing drugs is 2 Corinthians 7:1 which reads, in part: let us cleanse ourselves of every defilement of flesh
6] Suicide. For what its worth, suicide represents an abandonment of faith. Perhaps it may be forgiven, as some people suffer from severe mental anguish. For it is written, But that is not a guarantee of resurrection, only against fear of infinite punishment.

Uh. That does not appear at Luke 22:52 in my Bible or any other Bible I can find

Of course I dismiss stuff like "kill witches and gays; you can own slaves and you can do eye for eye" etc.
Don't you 3 stooges dismiss it too?
Learn- "The covenant of Jesus is superior to the old one" (Heb 8:6)

I know, he fully supported the 10 Commandments to the hilt, but gave us free will to choose to follow all the other laws or not, call it a test.
Personally I don't want to own slaves, kill gays and witches and do all the other nasty stuff that some of the OT allows, so i like to think i pass the test..

I like everybody mate, it's just their oddball cultish notions that I like poking fun at ..

We are no longer under such obligation. But we still do not associate with those who practice homosexuality, fraud, fornication, or spiritism (BTW, the Greek word for spiritism is pharmakia, does that sound familiar?) We don't own slaves; but we are fair to our employes and, if we are employed, we give our employer an honest days work. We don't poke out eyes; but we do honor the idea that a person wronged should be compensated.

Well let's see:- A pharmacy is a place to get medicines (we call them chemists in Britain)
Gospel-writer Luke was a doctor.
Am I missing something?

Yeah.
The English transliteration would be 'druggery' or drug abuse. Kind of belongs with spiritism, wouldn't you say? Giving over your will to either spirit or chemical.