Aliens. What are they like?

Evidence? We don't got no evidence. We don't need no steenking evidence.

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Romeo said: "Then David lifted his eyes and saw the angel of the Lord standing between earth and heaven, having in his hand a drawn sword stretched out over Jerusalem" (1 Chron 21:15/16)

Brandon said: Evidence to support any of these beliefs?

Eyewitness evidence is quite admissible in all courtrooms.
Why would David lie? Who do you think he saw up there, Mary Poppins?.. Smile

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Eyewitness evidence is a case of someone telling you what he or she saw. It is not a garbled account from centuries later, and it is not reliable when the witness' religious prejudices condition his or her judgment about what he or she thought he or she saw.

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Romeo Fabulini wrote:

...wiped out the entire enemy alien race to ensure they never come back....

No, in revenge for killing his wife.

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Romeo Fabulini wrote:

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Romeo said: "Then David lifted his eyes and saw the angel of the Lord standing between earth and heaven, having in his hand a drawn sword stretched out over Jerusalem" (1 Chron 21:15/16)

Brandon said: Evidence to support any of these beliefs?

Eyewitness evidence is quite admissible in all courtrooms.
Why would David lie? Who do you think he saw up there, Mary Poppins?..

And what's your evidence that this ancient account is accurate?

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@Brandon9000,

The antennae on his hat told him so.

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Speaking of hats, is my neighbour (below) an alien with antenna inside his hat?
I sometimes bump into him in the street and we have long chats about sci-fi, cosmology ,time-travel etc.
Once we were discussing the blackboard math formulas scene in 'Earth Stood Still' (bottom pic), and my neighbour whipped out a notebook from his pocket and showed me page after page of similar formulas that he'd written in it!
I said "Very interesting but I don't think you're an alien time lord or whatever because you dress too flamboyantly and that'd attract too much attention to yourself!"
He replied with a smile - "Ah, but my flamboyant dress style is just camouflage, I'm 'hiding' in full public view!"

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/NickB1_zps975633fe.jpg~original

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Brandon said: [re angel drawn sword pic] And what's your evidence that this ancient account is accurate?

Buddha's words are also ancient (500 BC) so if you doubt what David said you'd also have to doubt what Buddha and other ancients said such as Socrates, Confucius, Sun Tzu etc!
No doubt 2000 years from now people will be debating whether Elvis really said "That's all right momma", "Stay offa my blue suede shoes", "I found a new place to dwell, it's down at the end of lonely street"..etc.. Smile

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Hey, you're right, maybe Jesus was just like that alien... an ancient "special effect" in a fantasy story Smile

You crack me up dude, you don't know the difference between fantasy stories and reality. But I forgive you because you keep posting images from Star Trek, so you get a pass.

(By the way, I loved that episode from TNG)

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Romeo Fabulini wrote:

. . .you'd also have to doubt what Buddha and other ancients said such as Socrates, Confucius, Sun Tzu etc!

It's almost as though you want to publicly show yourself to be an idiot. What Siddartha, the so-called Buddha, said should be treated skeptically. As for Socrates, we have the evidence of Plato and Xenephon, both of whom were eye-witnesses. You were babbling about eye witnesses here just recently, so i guess you can't keep track of your own B S. I don't know of anyone who alleges that they know what Confucius or Sun Tzu said. However, what they wrote is beyond doubt.

Romeo shoots! He misses! As usual . . .

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'The Royale' is one of my favourite episodes; the Enterprise detects one solitary building protected by a 'force-dome' on a dark hostile-environment planet.
They beam down and enter through a revolving door and find they're in a casino where the people are all so busy having a good time that they largely ignore the away team.
It's a totally baffling situation but all becomes clear in the end.
It's a bit like our own crazy baffling situation, here we are on a spinning ball of mud called earth sailing through space without knowing how we got here or where we're going.
Jesus beamed down to tell us, but atheists say "Thanks but no thanks mate, we don't wanna know".. Wink

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/The_RoyaleA_zps622c7716.jpg~original

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PS- I think 'The Royale' screenshot might have glitched when i tried to post it, here it is again for insurance-

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/The_RoyaleAb_zps50a6e300.jpg~original

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Setanta observed: As for Socrates, we have the evidence of Plato and Xenephon, both of whom were eye-witnesses

Wow, two eyewitnesses!
Jesus had a few more than that, he went on the road all over Israel for 3 long years in front of the people and the occupying Roman Army!
"Large crowds from Galilee, the Ten Cities, Jerusalem, Judea and the region across the Jordan followed him" (Matt 4:25)
And he pulled audiences of over 4000 and 5000 at two gigs alone (Matt 15:32, Matt 14:13), he was almost as big as Elvis.. Smile

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@Romeo Fabulini,

In fact, your "eyewitness" accounts about your boy Jeebus are based on texts, the oldest of which date to the early 4th century--three hundred years after the putative Jesus was allegedly executed. The accounts of Plato and Xenephon were written at the time of the death of Socrattes.

Rome shoots! Romeo misses! As usual . . .

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Setanta claimed: your "eyewitness" accounts about your boy Jeebus are based on texts, the oldest of which date to the early 4th century

You gotta be jivin us boy!
Gospel-writers Matthew and John were actual disciples, gospel-writer Mark was a mate of Jesus's right-hand man Peter, and gospel-writer Luke was a mate of Paul.. Smile

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Romeo policing the seafront on "heathen patrol", Plymouth UK

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Neither Matthew nor John are known to have been the same people who were allegedly apostles. Mark is also not known to be one of the "seventy apostles," Christians just like to make these claims because it bolsters the BS they're peddling. Being a "mate" of Paul is a sure fire way to make someone suspect.

Once again, the oldest texts of the so-called gospels date from the early 4th century. A lot of fiddling can be done in three hundred years.

Romeo shoots! Romeo misses! As usual . . .

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Setanta claimed: the oldest texts of the so-called gospels date from the early 4th century. A lot of fiddling can be done in three hundred years.
Being a "mate" of Paul is a sure fire way to make someone suspect.

You've just put your head in the noose again mate and i'm going to give you a chance to talk your way off the gallows by explaining to us exactly WHY anybody would want to "invent" Christianity?
It's a question no atheists can answer.. Smile

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PS- I don't like doing longwinded posts, but for you and Rosborne here are more details of the gospel-writers.. Smile

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Matthew the disciple, formerly Levi (Mark 2:14; Luke 5:27) son of Alpheus, was formerly a tax collector (Luke 5:29-30) one of the 12 apostles handpicked by Jesus (Matthew 9:9), he wrote his gospel between c.60 and 80 AD after Mark wrote his first.

Mark (Latin, "Marcus") also called John, Mark was a cousin of Barnabas (Colossians 4:10), a disciple of Peter (1 Peter 5:13) a helpful co-worker of Paul (2 Timothy 4:11), wrote his gospel c.60AD not long after some Apostolic Letters were written: i.e., James, Galatians, 1 and 2 Thessalonians, 1 & 2 Corinthians, and Romans. His mother was one of the Marys (Acts 12:12) from an influential and probably wealthy family, and so some speculated that the last supper was held in their home and that he was the young man in Mark 14:51-52 which is not in the other accounts.

Luke, a physician (2 Tim. 4:11) and a gentile convert (Luke 1:2) probably by Paul who became his traveling companion (Acts 17:1; 20:5, 6-21:18 ). He wrote his gospel c.65 AD

John the disciple, (John 13:23) son of Zebedee, the brother of James the "greater" (Matthew 4:21; 10:2; Mark 1:19; 3:17; 10:35) wrote his gospel c.95AD, the last to be written before Revelation. Also from a wealthy family (Mark 1:20; Luke 5:3; John 19:27). His mother was probably Salome (Matthew 27:56; Mark 15:40). He was one of the closest disciples to Jesus among the twelve (Matthew 17:1; 26:37; Mark 5:37; 13:3). He was zealous (Matthew 20:20-24; Mark 3:17; 10:35-41; Luke 9:49, 54). He became one the leaders of the Jerusalem Church (Acts 15:6; Galatians 2:9) and of the seven churches in Asia (Revelation 1:11). He was banished to the island of Patmos where he wrote Revelation.

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

Neither Matthew nor John are known to have been the same people who were allegedly apostles. Mark is also not known to be one of the "seventy apostles," Christians just like to make these claims because it bolsters the BS they're peddling. Being a "mate" of Paul is a sure fire way to make someone suspect.

I thought I remembered this being the case, but I hadn't had time to confirm it. Thanks for providing this more accurate information.

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@Romeo Fabulini,

You think that just because you post something you copied and pasted from some religious web site, that makes it so? There is no historical evidence for any of your claims. Even Saul of Tarsus didn't claim to have met your boy Jeebus.

Romeo shoots! Romeo misses! As usual . . .

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As for "inventing" christianity, that's a sufficiently vague concept as to be meaningless. The why, though is pretty obvious. You get to control lots of people, you get to exercise power over others.

Romeo shoots! Romeo misses! As usual . . .

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@Romeo Fabulini,

YAwn... How you always contradict yourself and yet don't see it.

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