Bush Faces a Revolt: from the U.S. Military

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The sources I quote are those in the military who have actually been on the ground in Iraq. They in no way downplay how difficult it has been. Not one of them thinks that the U.S. (or European) media is giving an accurate image/report of what is actually going on there.

The problem here is that joe private is unlikely to haev the slightest inkling of what is going on outside of his own company area. To think that American military personnell have any clue of what the "Iraqi people" think is absurd. Would you tell an occupier what you really thought, or would you nod and smile, thank them effusively, and hope they leave soon? I'm betting it would be the latter.
BTW, how many of those "brave soldiers (sniff, sniff!)" spoke Arabic ? Of that number, how many were proficient in idomatic Arabic?

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The sources I quote are those in the military who have actually been on the ground in Iraq. They in no way downplay how difficult it has been. Not one of them thinks that the U.S. (or European) media is giving an accurate image/report of what is actually going on there.

Could you please clarify? How many have you talked to? In what context do these conversations occur?

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Info, there's a storm brewin' heah. As one of the moderate posters I'm gonna tiptoe on out.

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This email just arrived:

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To All those who know our son Mike...
The BBQ that was scheduled at our home May 15th & 16th (to Welcome Him Home-Celebrate his 21st Birthday & Anniversary) has been cancelled due to the fact that the Guest of Honor will not be able to attend. He and his unit have been redeployed to Iraq for another 200 days, putting them home sometime near Thankgiving, God willing. Please pray for All Our Troops to return home safely.

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blatham, we live in a military town and for various reasons, there are several in my family and church who have been deployed to Iraq and I know several other enlisted personnel and officers who have been deployed to Iraq. It is these that I talk to. We also discuss gardening, golf, bridge, the weather, and Isotopes baseball. I'm sorry that none of them to the best of my knowledge have been quoted in the liberal media so that you would give them some credibility.

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"Liberal media?" Rolling Eyes

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Yeah, it is.

When someone starts talking about "neocons," it's time to go find something else to read. Generally the article will turn out to have no redeeming social value and will be merely a political hit-piece that reads like someone's blog.

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Pffka my heart and prayers go to your friend and their son Mike along with my profound gratitude that he is willing to serve his country.

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Tarantulas wrote:

Yeah, it is.

When someone starts talking about "neocons," it's time to go find something else to read. Generally the article will turn out to have no redeeming social value and will be merely a political hit-piece that reads like someone's blog.

Youa re aware that "Neo-con" is an appellation coined by that group to describe themselves, are you not?

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I think it goes without saying that no one in that family is thrilled with this news. Also, it is a little shocking that the news media is saying three months but the families have been told six months.

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The decision to keep more troops there breaks a promise to soldiers who were assured they would stay no more than one year. By extending their tours of duty by up to three months, the Pentagon is acknowledging that the insurgency has ruined its plans to reduce the size of the U.S. military presence this spring.

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Nobody wants their loved ones to be in harms way for any length of time. The generation before me however served in WW II. Several of my uncles went overseas in 1941 or early 1942 and didn't come home until after Japan surrendered in April, 1945. Some went to Korea early and came home a couple of years later. I am of the Vietnam era and many of my peers were over there for one and two years at a time; some served several tours of duty.

This doesn't make it any easier for those serving long deployments in Iraq to know this. But it is by no means unprecedented.

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Foxy, all of the wars you mentioned sustained high troop levels by conscription. How do you intend to maintian and even build the number of troops in Iraq, as well as those in Afghanistan, not to mention our commitments in Europe and Asia, without initiating conscription?

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Foxfyre wrote:

blatham, we live in a military town and for various reasons, there are several in my family and church who have been deployed to Iraq and I know several other enlisted personnel and officers who have been deployed to Iraq. It is these that I talk to. We also discuss gardening, golf, bridge, the weather, and Isotopes baseball. I'm sorry that none of them to the best of my knowledge have been quoted in the liberal media so that you would give them some credibility.

Thank you. You'll grant, I expect, that your sample is very small. I won't ask about church connections, which may well be relevant to your sample, but it's not my business.

Your last sentence

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I'm sorry that none of them to the best of my knowledge have been quoted in the liberal media so that you would give them some credibility

serves you poorly.

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Foxfyre
Foxfyre, I live in Albuquerque on the west side of the Rio Grande. You mentioned you live in a military town. Which New Mexico town do you live in? I wonder if we are near neighbors?

BBB

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Foxfyre:
"The generation before me however served in WW II. "
There is no connection between enlistments in WWll and Iraq. None. Nada. And for the sake of debate, let's keep extraneous factoids out of this thread.

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panzade writes:

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Foxfyre:
"The generation before me however served in WW II. "
There is no connection between enlistments in WWll and Iraq. None. Nada. And for the sake of debate, let's keep extraneous factoids out of this thread.

I will take my reprimand like a man, Panzade, if you will reprimand the others for complaining that the troops in Iraq are having to stay too long and making it into another "Bush sin". Otherwise, I think my take on it is perfectly appropriate for this thread.

And Blatham, serves me poorly? You can say this when you have constantly been on my case about posting links, demanding I substantiate my sources, yadda yadda? I get tired of debate by who can find the most articles to post to support their position. Whatever happened to thinking for yourself? (Yes, I know I post a pertinent article now and then too. So don't even go there.)

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To even compare with a straight face World War II and the need to stop Hitler, thus protecting the free world, with Bush's obsession over removing a failed little Islamic despot who tried to kill his daddy is a smack in the face to the brave men (and women) who served this country in the European, Asian, and Pacific theaters of WWII.

This what happens when the Bushites lose all sense and reason believing Bush is a wartime president.

Bush couldn't carry the golf clubs for these genuine American heros.

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Infowarrior, that was beautiful.

I tottaly agree with that statment. During WW2, America HAD to go to war, because if we didn't, Britian would shurly fall to the constant barage from Germany, and than the British Isles could be used for a major way point for the attack on US soil. We realized this was far to possible.

Much more possible mind you, than Iraq nuclear missles being pointed at our heads.

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hobitbob wrote:

Tarantulas wrote:
Yeah, it is.

When someone starts talking about "neocons," it's time to go find something else to read. Generally the article will turn out to have no redeeming social value and will be merely a political hit-piece that reads like someone's blog.

Youa re aware that "Neo-con" is an appellation coined by that group to describe themselves, are you not?

Originally, yes, back in the 1970s. Nowadays the term is generally used to ridicule someone and stick him into a category. It reminds me of a "B.C." cartoon we have laminated and stuck on our refrigerator:

Small ant: Mom, what's a label?
Large ant: It's something they put on a person so you can hate them without having to get to know him first.

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I agree with you unknownman in agreeing with infowarrior.

To try and blur the lines between the Mother of all Battles (WWII) and the Bush-launched guerilla war in Iraq is beyond the pale. Even for his supporters, it's simply off the wall.

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