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A penitent troll apologises for mocking atheism. On show here!

 
 
timur
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jan, 2014 09:08 am
@parados,
My perception is that what Frank perceives, he thinks it is reality.

Me, I'm not so sure..
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jan, 2014 09:19 am
@timur,
timur wrote:

My perception is that what Frank perceives, he thinks it is reality.


I HAVE NO IDEA WHERE YOU GET THAT FROM...EXCEPT YOUR IMAGINATION.

I have on several occasions said that everything we see and sense...MAY BE AN ILLUSION.

Take my word for it, Timur...I DO NOT KNOW WHAT the true nature of the REALITY of existence IS.

There is absolutely no way I think that what I perceive IS the REALITY...but I do not dismiss the possibility the way some some people do.

I do not know...and I am unwilling to dismiss any possibility.

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Me, I'm not so sure..


Me neither...so I have no idea of what your quarrel with me is about.
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parados
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jan, 2014 10:18 am
@timur,
I think Frank has made it pretty clear that reality is separate from his perceptions.

He is just claiming that reality "is". Reality exists outside of us and outside of our perceptions.
timur
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jan, 2014 10:21 am
@parados,
Parados wrote:
Reality exists outside of us and outside of our perceptions.


If so, how can you tell?

Simple deduction?
parados
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jan, 2014 10:33 am
@timur,
How can you tell I can't tell?
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jan, 2014 10:34 am
@parados,
parados wrote:

I think Frank has made it pretty clear that reality is separate from his perceptions.


I have tried to make it very clear that I do not know what the REALITY is...so, I disagree slightly with what you said here, Parados. REALITY MAY BE very, very different from what we humans perceive it to be...but it MAY BE exactly what we see. The non-dualists may be correct; the naive realists may be correct. I do not know...and I suspect neither does anyone else.

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He is just claiming that reality "is".


It is my position that whatever IS...IS.

I acknowledge that I do not know what that IS...is.


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Reality exists outside of us and outside of our perceptions.


REALITY may exist outside of my perception...but in any case, whatever IS...IS. There is no way I can tell if everything I suppose I see and sense...is not just an illusion...something going on in what I refer to as "my mind."
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parados
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jan, 2014 10:42 am
@timur,

Actually, if reality didn't exist outside of my perception it would seem to lead to a paradox that would cause my perceptions to not be reality.
timur
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jan, 2014 01:32 pm
@parados,
Ah! Because now your perceptions are reality?

In the light of your previous assertions, how so?
BroncoFOG
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jan, 2014 01:41 pm
@JohnJonesCardiff,
Speaking of beliefs: Does anyone believe Justin Bieber has retired?
tsarstepan
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jan, 2014 01:44 pm
@BroncoFOG,
BroncoFOG wrote:

Speaking of beliefs: Does anyone believe Justin Bieber has retired?

Long answer? No.
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parados
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jan, 2014 05:48 pm
@timur,
timur wrote:

Ah! Because now your perceptions are reality?

In the light of your previous assertions, how so?

IF we make an assumption that my perceptions are reality then it leads to a paradox.

Perhaps you should read my statement again.
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