Why do people deny evolution?

@JimmyJ,

JimmyJ wrote:

If you're questioning whether or not "macroevolution" occurs, look it up for yourself. I don't feel like rewarding your laziness by posting it here for you (though if you insist, I will).

Pretty well argued to death in several other threads. Post here if you want. Though, apparently you still wish to have folks give reasons for denying evolution without presenting arguments against it. Perhaps you will next ask us to make omelets without eggs.

I may be lazy; but I have never asked A2Kers to solve my love interests.

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@spendius,

Spendi--you are continuing to put your words in my mouth--that is bad form Spud.

IMHO the most popular Bible (KJB Version 2) is a 15th Century edit of what were initially campfire stories told by nomads to explain the surrounding world. It is a wonderful piece of literature, but facts are not the KJB2's strong suit--if it were there wouldn't be so many historical and factual errors and contradictions.

Rap

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@neologist,

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I may be lazy; but I have never asked A2Kers to solve my love interests.

ad hominem? Excellent!

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Pretty well argued to death in several other threads. Post here if you want. Though, apparently you still wish to have folks give reasons for denying evolution without presenting arguments against it. Perhaps you will next ask us to make omelets without eggs.

There are no arguments against it (at least none that have any validity). Spend provided an argument for why it's better not to act as evolution suggests, but no good argument can be made on the subject of its validity (hence why almost 100% of all scientists adhere to it).

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

Enjoy. If you don't like that source I can use Google scholar to find you some legitimate journals, though I doubt any recent studies have been done since it was pretty much confirmed 50 or so years ago.

EDIT: Instead of me finding the journals for you, here you go. Go to town. Maybe you'll learn something about Biology along the way!

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=macroevolution&btnG=&as_sdt=1%2C29&as_sdtp=

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@JimmyJ,

JimmyJ wrote:

ad hominem? Excellent!

You were the one who brought up "lazy".

So now, I'll have to apologize for calling you obtuse.
Mea Culpa

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@neologist,

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You were the one who brought up "lazy".

Is it not lazy to ask someone else to do your research for you?

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@neologist,

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Microevolution: Darwinist synonym for adaptation.
Macroevolution: Well, of course, if there's a micro, there must be a macro.

You know I cant let this go without a comment.

Microevolution is evolution at or below the species level

Macroevolution is evolution ABOVE the species level

That's all it means. Evidence and direct observations about both can be seen through multiple human life-times of observation. We don't even need the fossil record to intervene.

Creationists and "Creation Cientists" have tried, through their unique talents of "lying for Jesus", to bifurcate these two terms so that they can"agree with minimal morphological changes that occur in a species" yet still deny that evolution occurs.

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@JimmyJ,

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I have no rebuttal other than that I really don't care much for societal norms or values as much as I care about the truth that the evidence points toward (it comes with the territory of wanting to be a scientist).

I was a scientist. I gave it up at 32. It was not my idea of a life. The specialisation involved in modern times is narrow, obsessive and very repetitious. TV does not give a true picture of the sheer grind of it or the discomfort often involved and to some extent the dangers. And colleagues display levels of eccentricities which take a lot of getting used to. The folk notion of the "mad scientist" is not all that far-fetched.

But that is not to say I don't admire science and its feats.

If you do translate your desire to be a scientist into actuality I would recommend human behaviour as your field.

I switched to being a demolition contractor and merchant of the recovered materials. What a life that was. Never a dull moment.

If you were to take on Oswald Spengler's The Decline of the West you will find that our Faustian science is a product of Christianity and an impossibility in any other culture.

Similarly all our significant art derives from the Bible.

Denigrating Christianity and the Bible is the mark of a crabbed education wallowing in subjectivity generally associated with rumpy-pumpy. As those who do engage in those hobbies are quite discreet about their personal lives one has to guess which of the Church's teachings on sexual matters they have been tempted to reject.

An atheist is not disqualified from accepting those teachings because they can be derived from common sense, as they were in the first place, if an orderly and successful society is the ambition.

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@raprap,

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Spendi--you are continuing to put your words in my mouth--that is bad form Spud.

I had no intention of doing any such thing rap.

We can agree that the Bible is a wonderful piece of literature. imo the most wonderful and always will be.

I have always thought of Homer as campfire stories. One doesn't need to believe that Ulysses actually had himself tied to the mast and his crew's ears stopped up with wax in order to pass safely the Siren's plaintive and irresistible wails to benefit from the wisdom in the tale.

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Raprap said: The Bible is a nice story--but it is for people who are mentally lazy and believe in astrology

Chill mate, the Bible TRASHES astrology and mediums and spiritism and stuff.. Smile

"Let the astrologers try to save you, the fire will burn them" (Isa 47:13/14)
"Don't worship the sun moon and stars" (Deut 4:19)
"Do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists, for you will be defiled by them. I am the Lord your God." (Lev 19:31)
God says:-"I will set my face against the person who turns to mediums and spiritists" (Lev 20:6)
"Saul expelled the mediums and spiritists from the land." (1 Sam 28:3)
"Josiah got rid of the mediums and spiritists and idols and all the other abominations." (2 Kings 23:24)
"He stargazed and used spells and witchcraft,and spoke to demons and wizards, he did much evil" (2 Chron 33:6)
"When men tell you to consult mediums and spiritists, who whisper and mutter, should not a people inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living?" (Isaiah 8:19)

Mediums rake in big bucks from halfwits at Spiritualist churches and seances-
Medium - "Is there anybody there?"
Disembodied voice - "Yes, this is Albert"
Albert's widow - "Oh Albert, what heavenly message have you got for me from the other side?"
Albert - "Be careful walking home down Saxby Street, the dog at number 19 has crapped on the pavement again.."

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@Romeo Fabulini,

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Raprap said: The Bible is a nice story--but it is for people who are mentally lazy and believe in astrology

Romeo Fabulini wrote:

Chill mate, the Bible TRASHES astrology and mediums and spiritism and stuff..
"Let the astrologers try to save you, the fire will burn them" (Isa 47:13/14)
"Don't worship the sun moon and stars" (Deut 4:19)
"Do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists, for you will be defiled by them. I am the Lord your God." (Lev 19:31)
God says:-"I will set my face against the person who turns to mediums and spiritists" (Lev 20:6)
"Saul expelled the mediums and spiritists from the land." (1 Sam 28:3)
"Josiah got rid of the mediums and spiritists and idols and all the other abominations." (2 Kings 23:24)
"He stargazed and used spells and witchcraft,and spoke to demons and wizards, he did much evil" (2 Chron 33:6)
"When men tell you to consult mediums and spiritists, who whisper and mutter, should not a people inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living?" (Isaiah 8:19)

Shud that be MEDIA, instead of "mediums" ??

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@raprap,

BTW rap--I believe in astrology but not in its modern forms.

I think the time of year a person is born is significant. Much less so today of course. The planetary conjunctions are merely a sign of when that time was just as a word like November is.

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@farmerman,

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Microevolution is evolution at or below the species level

Macroevolution is evolution ABOVE the species level

Isn't the difference merely one of time scales?

One might be "lying for science" to bifurcate the two in order to establish two disciplines for double funding and expansion of recruitment. An empire building gambit.

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@spendius,

Are you guys arguing?

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@Romeo Fabulini,

I use astrology instead of the generic term 'predestination'. That is "The whim' of a sky gawd that knows all, is all and is all good."

Astrology is just another method to try to determining the predestination of this sky gawd.

Rap

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Speaking of fortune telling, it's rumoured that Hitler consulted astrologers, it probably went like this-
HITLER (before WW2) - "What shall I do?"
ASTROLOGER- "Invade every country in sight"
HITLER- "Will there be any risk in it?"
ASTROLOGER- "Nah, you'll be quite alright"

And there was a pic in the paper of Princess Diana being flown in by helicopter to consult her astrologer two weeks before she was killed-
DI- "I'm going to Paris soon to be with Dodi, will the trip go smoothly?"
ASTROLOGER- "Sure, what could possibly go wrong?".. Smile

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Wonder what Nancy and Ronald Reagan's astrologer answered?

BTW Romeo I impose Godwin's law.

Rap

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@raprap,

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Astrology is just another method to try to determining the predestination of this sky gawd.

No it isn't rap. Do you think a man like me would think, know, that astrology has validity, in its pure shamanistic form, if I had any God in mind. It works on the centrifuge cascade principle.

I can obviously see that the science will be exploited by honey-tongued, iniquitous reprobates but that does not in any way discredit astrology itself.

You don't know your Freud my lad.

It's a neat trick to associate God with something when you don't believe in God. It enables you, by a tiny circularity, to scoff at it and thus avoids you having to think about a long standing activity of the human race which baffles you.

The idea of "lazy minds" is a matter of aesthetic taste. It is not a phrase you ever see me unleash.

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What good do astrologers, mediums and fortune-tellers DO?
I mean, who cares what the future holds anyway?
King Saul made a proper fool of himself in 1 Sam ch 28 by consulting the witch of Endor to ask how the forthcoming battle would go for him.
She conjured up a spirit which told him- "You'll lose the battle, you and your sons will be killed, and your kingdom will be taken over by your enemies"
Saul was reduced to a quivering jelly after hearing that, and was in no condition to command his troops in the battle, and of course he lost.
So consulting the witch did him absolutely no good at all.. Smile

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@Romeo Fabulini,

I heard if you actually seek fortune tellers and such your death is then determined. I honestly did not know astrology is the same thing, or similar to.

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@anonymously99,

anonymously99 wrote:

Are you guys arguing?

Spendi would never argue with FM.

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