Why do people deny evolution?

@farmerman,

I hope you don't place bunny-rabbits ears around the word "professors" according to a pre-set plan fm. That would constitute marking your own exam papers.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

You have been a rude smart ass to me ever since we met on a2k.
What have you contributed, other than "a god guided evolution?" Which you are free to believe, but its pretty silly, considering all the dead ends and extinctions before life ever got close to having apes and humans. Then, the different near humans that went extinct. What was the god doing, trying them out before selecting the one he liked best?

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@farmerman,

Frankly, I don't know why people get so hardened on a position because they fear even a question equates to heresy. Years ago a close family member of my husband, was always suspicious of the fact that I was raised Catholic. This was someone born in 1911, raised on a farm way out in Johnston's County, N.C., and had never met anyone other than a Baptist. I've forgotten how the conversation began, we were all around the dining room table, and finally after a lot of fidgeting she asked me about the Church. Her question was, "Now, are the Catholics like the Jews, and don't accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior?" I wasn't offended, just shocked how misinformed some folks are, and just said, "Oh no it's different, in fact, we think we thought of it first". Then I had to assure her that the Church believed in the Trinity, I still don't know if she believed me.

I'm not going to say I'm a practicing Catholic, I'm not crazy about the modifications that have been made to the Mass. But, even if it returned to the way it was when I was young, I'm not sure I would return. But to be very honest, it wasn't strictly the changes, I had started working and was working 6 days a week at the Social Security Agency, I didn't want to get up on Sunday anymore and just slept. I was at SSA for three months before my clearances came in and I resigned and began working at DOD.

That being said, I respect the beliefs of other and I feel absolutely no need to convert anyone. And I don't fret about the afterlife, it either is or it's not. The Egyptians buried a ton of stuff to accompany them to the other side, that didn't work out very well.

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@glitterbag,

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Frankly, I don't know why people get so hardened on a position because they fear even a question equates to heresy. Years ago a close family member of my husband, was always suspicious of the fact that I was raised Catholic. This was someone born in 1911, raised on a farm way out in Johnston's County, N.C., and had never met anyone other than a Baptist. I've forgotten how the conversation began, we were all around the dining room table, and finally after a lot of fidgeting she asked me about the Church. Her question was, "Now, are the Catholics like the Jews, and don't accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior?" I wasn't offended, just shocked how misinformed some folks are, and just said, "Oh no it's different, in fact, we think we thought of it first". Then I had to assure her that the Church believed in the Trinity, I still don't know if she believed me.

I'm not going to say I'm a practicing Catholic, I'm not crazy about the modifications that have been made to the Mass. But, even if it returned to the way it was when I was young, I'm not sure I would return. But to be very honest, it wasn't strictly the changes, I had started working and was working 6 days a week at the Social Security Agency, I didn't want to get up on Sunday anymore and just slept. I was at SSA for three months before my clearances came in and I resigned and began working at DOD.

That being said, I respect the beliefs of other and I feel absolutely no need to convert anyone. And I don't fret about the afterlife, it either is or it's not. The Egyptians buried a ton of stuff to accompany them to the other side, that didn't work out very well.

I like you and your mindset more and more as I continue to read the thoughts you post, Glitterbag.

By the way, I was with SSA for 5 years back in the early 1960's.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank, I worked at the Woodlawn building in Baltimore. I had the worlds worst job, checking microfiche for clarity.

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@glitterbag,

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Frank, I worked at the Woodlawn building in Baltimore. I had the worlds worst job, checking microfiche for clarity.

I went (as did everyone who worked for SSA back then) to Baltimore for training...a very intense one week ordeal.

But the food in Baltimore was spectacular.

Amazing as it is to think about these days...the white recruits lived in a different hotel from the black recruits...and we were specifically told (IN WRITING) that we were not to protest that situation in any way.

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@spendius,

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Science is not a religion, it really and truly is not a religion.

Some professors disagree with that gb.

Scientists take observations and try to find a pattern or unifying principle in them. After they think they see a pattern, they make predictions of phenomena they haven't yet observed and test to see if they are correct. Only if the predicted phenomena are observed, do they accept the unifying principle as true. If they ever find the principle to be contradicted, they create a new principle that explains both the new and the old observations and use it to make new predictions, which they then test for. How the hell is that a religion?

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

glitterbag wrote:

Frank, I worked at the Woodlawn building in Baltimore. I had the worlds worst job, checking microfiche for clarity.

I went (as did everyone who worked for SSA back then) to Baltimore for training...a very intense one week ordeal.

But the food in Baltimore was spectacular.

Amazing as it is to think about these days...the white recruits lived in a different hotel from the black recruits...and we were specifically told (IN WRITING) that we were not to protest that situation in any way.

Yikes, Wow Frank!!!! The workforce was integrated when I got there. I was only there for 3 months, could barely make my way around the building. I don't remember anything about racial makeup in management, I just knew I was younger than everyone else.

My Aunt is 9 years older than me, and she was in High School when Baltimore schools were integrated. Apparently I was still too young to remember any of that. She said it was the most terrifying thing she ever saw. Mobs of white people, including women with children in strollers were throwing rocks thru the windows. All of the students were huddled in the center corridor to avoid injury. She said both the black and white students were scared out of their minds. The police arrived to safely escort the students away from those frothing maniacs. She said people were furious screaming and spitting on all the kids. I had no idea the people in Baltimore were so hateful they would threaten kids. Up until I heard that story, I thought things like that only happened in
Mississippi.

My Aunts story shocked me, your story about a Federal Government office imposing segregation has floored me.

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@Brandon9000,

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How the hell is that a religion?

Because they believe in it all and have created a priestly hierarchy which imagines the predictions from the observations of the "dirt" apply to human behaviour.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

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How the hell is that a religion?

Because they believe in it all and have created a priestly hierarchy which imagines the predictions from the observations of the "dirt" apply to human behaviour.

That's utter twaddle. Surely you're smarter than that. Or am I mistaken?

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@glitterbag,

Science is as much of a religion as carpentry. I can be a religious carpenter or a religious mathematician.

3000 years ago Euclid declared that irrational numbers were the devil as gawd was in the integers. As a result Hamas was sacrificed when he proved that irrationals were real.

Rap

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@glitterbag,

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That's utter twaddle.

That's utter twaddle.

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@raprap,

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Science is as much of a religion as carpentry.

Some eminent members of academe think science is a religion rap. The others don't like admitting it.

Unlike the Church science gets its funds by political chicanery and legally enforced levies on incomes.

And never was there a more awe-struck congregation than that science has rounded up using studio effects and Media plants.

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@spendius,

Once Darwin and other naturalists had established man's connection with animals Shaw's conclusion that meat eating is "cannibalism with the heroic dish omitted" seems perfectly reasonable.

So people might deny evolution in order to continue allowing their bodies to be the repository for the decomposition of executed animals.

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@spendius,

There is an interesting passage in Charles Murray's (PhD) review in the WSJ of Nicholas Wade's new book: A Troublesome Inheritance : Genes, Race and Human History.

Dr. Murray is a Fellow of the American Institute for Research. Something of a leading light as chief political scientist.

I am aware that the AIR is a conservative organisation but Dr. Murray supports same sex marriage and has been married twice. It has been reported that he has burned a crucifix in front of a police station.

This is the passage--

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The high priests of the orthodoxy such as Richard Lewontin are unlikely to recant, but I imagine that the publication of "A Troublesome Inheritance" will be welcomed by geneticists with their careers ahead of them—it gives them cover to write more openly about the emerging new knowledge. It will be unequivocally welcome to medical researchers, who often find it difficult to get grants if they openly say they will explore the genetic sources of racial health differences.

A prominent scientist not only referred to other scientists, in the WSJ, as "high priests" but accuses them of being flagrantly subjective in their allocation of funds and positions. Positions being hands with funds working the strings.

Science is PC. Goodness gracious me!!! Meaning is being sucked out of certain well known expressions like air out of a pricked balloon. "Critical thinking" to name but one.

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@Builder,

but you ARE eternal, well your Conciousness is. enough strong evidence for that now.

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@farmerman,

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the "professors" that disagree are mostly those invested in a worldview that has a god in direct charge. Most Christian sects n jews nd most others have a deity that is transcendant , not immanent.

lol, this one still not doing his research. It is getting laughable by now!

this one is verrrryyyy selectie in his 'evidence' , is is even very obvious to anyone how much he is!

but he has to! he has a religion to defend.

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@glitterbag,

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Science is not a religion, it really and truly is not a religion.

well, it seems to me that you are making some ´facts´ by repeating it time and time again.

Offcourse ´science´ is a religion, because it is full of dogma and very idiotic stupid ideas. ´scientist´worship their ´Gods` like the idiotic Dawkins, Hawkins and Einsteins. they worship ´the scientific method`, ´peer review´ and other enormous nonsense.

the Emperor has no clothes, but offcourse you may not say that!
That is blasphemy!

´science´, including evolution is here to slow down any real progress.

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@Quehoniaomath,

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science´, including evolution is here to slow down any real progress

And by "real progress" you, of course are referring to??

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@farmerman,

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And by "real progress" you, of course are referring to??

you won´t understand.

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