Why do people deny evolution?

@Helloandgoodbye,

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But who is King? Who dictates right from wrong?
Subjects like multiple sex partners, marriage, abortion, homosexuality, porn, srtipclubs, cursing and swearing, transgender, drugs, men wearing women’s clothing, psychics etc. Etc etc.
Who says if these things are good or bad? 7bilion ppl on earth now, and probably no two ppl can agree on all these subjects and more.

Yes, people do know right from wrong.

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Anarchy, disorder happens cause such lacking authority. Not good.
God is a God of law and Order. Needed.

No, the PROBLEM is not lacking authority, the PROBLEM is obeying authority! authority=slavery! government=slavery! religion=slavery!
You see, the problem is that people have given their power away, to authority. Hence they have no sense of responsiblity anymore. THAT is the cause of the trouble we are in.

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And then there is the issue of even though ppl may know some of these things are wrong, like your example of stealing, they still do it anyway.

Yes, I know. and btw 'stealing' from others is wrong and everything that is wrong is ALWAYS stealing. stealing wasn't an example. it's the core of things being wrong.

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Probably every single person to some degree or another😳
Why? Cause of our sinful nature

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sinfull nature??? My ass! where did you het that idiotic notion.

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which only God can change it seems. Much needed to establish a peaceful, eternal, ‘heavenly’ society. Where Not even the slightest sin can exist, nada. Perfection. NO disorder at all.

won't happen. We are flawed beings, nothiong wrong with that. What else are we. And you see by "calling god" in the picture, you are again asking people to give their power away . which was the goal of ALL religions from the start.

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Keep in mind, by removing God, (the true God) you and I, humanity becomes God instead ya know?

I disagree, we are just very simple flawed human beings, with the understanding of what is right and what is wrong. Just ask kids what is right and what is wrong, they know.

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Big reason ppl like the idea/worldview of evolution it seems.

Maybe, but I know for sur evil-lotion was created to keep people from real spirituality.

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About anarchy:

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The term anarchy is derived from the ancient Greek root anarchos (“without authority”), denoting the absence of the rule of law or of settled government

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@rosborne979,

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Leadfoot wrote:
"This is the tactic of people with an illegitimate agenda and whose only weapon is diversion."

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It's also the tactic of people who have seen it a million times before and debunked the arguments and don't want to waste any more time with it. And THAT is what's really happening here, not any illegitimate agenda or diversion.

And you should know better than to even suggest such a stupid thing. Get your act together Leadhead. You can't pretend to be an intelligent resource in these arguments if you constantly undermine your own position with nonsense suggestions like that. If anything, it just demonstrates that you have an agenda because your position is derived from propaganda and because you are smart enough to know better. Sheesh.

What is interesting is that I did not specify who the guilty parties were, only what they would be guilty of. But they have no difficulty identifying themselves.

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@Leadfoot,

There's no link to the letter in your article, is there?

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@Leadfoot,

Leadfoot wrote:

What is interesting is that I did not specify who the guilty parties were, only what they would be guilty of. But they have no difficulty identifying themselves.

Are you saying I misinterpreted the clear implication of your post... bullshit. This is just more dodging and diversion on your part. You say you are not a creationist or a shill for the DI, but you sure act like one.

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@rosborne979,

Facts are facts. That was my only implication. If it makes you uncomfortable I can’t help that.

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@Leadfoot,

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Facts are facts. That was my only implication. If it makes you uncomfortable I can’t help that.

You are being disingenuous. And that should bother you more than it apparently does.

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The survey conducted by the Discovery Institute entitled,Scientific Dissent from Darwinism was conducted in 2005 and later in 2007 and 2012. The numbers of scientists who signed the survey petition grew from 500+ in 1005 to 600+ in 2012. However, in 2007 the DI opened the eligible ranks to the entire N american Continent (which is fair but certainly is not a report of any trends that can be asserted like the DI ultimately did). Also, over 80% of the scientists surveyed were not even associated with biology or geology , (they actually were involved in work unrelated to evolution, like mechanical engineering or electronics).

In a similr vein a private survey was conducted in 2015. Called Project Steve It counted the number of scientists in the US and Canada , who, named Steve or Stephanie, pr related names, actually accepted the theory of evolution. Project Steve, using selection mthods that were randomized , found over 1500+ such people.

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The actual US population number, according to PEW research, that believes in Bible Centered Creationism has grown from 37% in 2001 to 41% in 2014. These stats were collected using sampling of folks with High SChool educations or less (the sampling did NOT gather data from folks who had less than a 10th grade education. That, IMM, fairly removes an artificially injected "Ignorance factor" that would probably swing the survey even greater toward creationism.

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@rosborne979,

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You are being disingenuous. And that should bother you more than it apparently does.

Here's what I don't get about your perception of me.
I've never denied that I have theological beliefs. I do have some.
I have also said that my theological beliefs have nothing to do with my scientific arguments for ID. My theological beliefs do not influence my consideration of scientific arguments. At most, they only make me able to listen to them.

Do these facts make me disingenuous?
Am I lying about any of them? because that is the only thing I can think of that would be disingenuous. If so, call me on it. What is it I am lying about?

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@Leadfoot,

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What is it I am lying about?

You are lying about your intent and your meaning of your original post I responded to in this thread. And this is something you do repeatedly. You drop an implied comment and then when called on it you dodge around it and pretend it's not what you really meant.

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@Leadfoot,

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I notice that the facts are not being challenged, only the source.

This is the tactic of people with an illegitimate agenda and whose only weapon is diversion.

Talk about illegitimate agendas. You confuse low probability with impossibility in your probability statistics to discount Evolution and cling to your theology. Try applying your stats to your theology.

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@rosborne979,

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You are lying about your intent and your meaning of your original post I responded to in this thread. And this is something you do repeatedly. You drop an implied comment and then when called on it you dodge around it and pretend it's not what you really meant.

Without an actual example I can't know what you mean. If it is real and clear enough in your mind to call someone a liar over it, you are the one being disingenuous by not spelling it out.

As to your claim of knowing what my (implied nefarious) intent is, I simply do not believe you can know my mind better than I.

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@InfraBlue,

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You confuse low probability with impossibility

No, I quite clearly spelled out the difference between low probability and impossibility in my last reply to you. Simply repeating this lie is not a legitimate form of discussion.

(@ ros, THIS is spelling out what lie you are talking about)

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@farmerman,

That is one interpretation of why ppl who spend more time in schools where evolution is preached ‘believe’and accept it as truth.

Why ppl believe in something illogical like evolution....

Also Google: the bigger the lie the more they are likely to believe it

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.wired.com/2017/02/dont-believe-lies-just-people-repeat/amp

This could explain why ppl who spend more time with those who preach evolution through school years become ‘brainwashed’

Our brains resort to what is familiar (misinformation like evolution) over what is logical (that highly engineered lifeforms like bacteria ‘scream’ designer just as a coffee table, vase, tv, airplane, even microchips the size of bacteria etc., which is the logical conclusion anyone should come to of course.

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@Helloandgoodbye,

I dont believe anyone called you an idiot today have they?

Well, Ill fix that!!.

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@farmerman,

https://www.speakingofbrilliance.com/illusory-truth-effect/

Google: illusory truth effect

‘If a lie is repeated often enough, are we more likely to believe it? Sadly, the answer is yes. Psychologists call it the illusory truth effect and it influences both our daily lives and the larger movements of politics and CULTURE.’

Still, cultural teachings or not, There is no deceit like self deceit....Ppl personally telling themselves highly engineered bacteria can actually be created by a non-intellegent source over and over and over and over and over again despite the impossible probability.

As Leadffoot mentioned, he would become a ‘believer’ in evolution if just one protein could be demonstrated to be constructed by non living matter. Just one. The closest ever demonstrated is a few simple amino acids, As predicted by creationists. Google miller/Urey experiment.
In other words, randomness can only produce limited order. As observed throughout all creation, everyday, putting evolution to shame.

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@Helloandgoodbye,

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There is no deceit like self deceit . . .

The irony of this coming from a believer in an omnipotent magic sky daddy is just killer. The rest of that post is just drivel, which is what we almost always get from this member.

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@Helloandgoodbye,

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@Helloandgoodbye,

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‘If a lie is repeated often enough, are we more likely to believe it? Sadly, the answer is yes. [/quote I know. How else do you clowns ever buy into a story book that requires magic, a great big dysfunctional spirit in the sky, and a worldwide flood and then try to call it science??

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@Helloandgoodbye,

Dont just "Google" the MIller urey experiment. Try to learn something about it. Learn about JeffBada or the Murchison meteorite (wrt pre biotic chenicals). Learn something about the prebiotic chemicals we see in evidence in SPACE (so there was no heating). Larn something about hydrated clays and peptide linkage via carbonyl sulfides. Learn about the production of racimate amino acids seen in the Miller Urey experiment (and the updated re-analyses of Miller's sealed vials after hi death). Learn more about whether early life was dependent upon other root chemmstry peraps. Look up Succinates, polymerization for cell walls.Dont forget purines , pyrimidines isoprenes and Hydrogensulfide;s role as a "driver".When thats all done , find out about helical structure or organic iron molecules found in the Mesabi Iron range and Australias Flinder Hills and The Isua Formation of Greenland.

Dont just try to make an argument when you think you have but one point (and even your understanding of that one is minimal at best)

Im tired of doing your homework to help your "magic Bus" belief. Science just slogs along and it is only pulling back the curtain of our ignorance very slowly and deliberately . BUT ONE THING, science tries to compile evidence from all sides, it doesnt just cherry pick a point or two. The evidence has gotta be all there or its untrue.

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