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Why do people deny evolution?

 
 
OldGrumpy
 
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Sat 20 Oct, 2018 03:32 pm
@livinglava,
Oh man

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Then your statement that 'we won't ever run out of water' is irrelevant. There are humans running out of water in various places always and when they die of dehydration, other humans still survive with water elsewhere.
If your point is that enough humans will die of dehydration to leave the water supply for other humans intact, that may be true but it is not reassuring or comforting in any way.


That is not my point. That is about distrubution. But the earth it self will NEVER run out of fresh water. It is simply impossible.

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That's irritating. I just explained the meaning of the word and now you are talking about some kind of political origin theory about it. It means what it means, regardless of whether it was coined by Ben Franklin or Karl Marx, ok?


Nope, it this case it is very important.

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It's not, but there's nothing to discuss because you didn't say anything to discuss.


whatever.

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I thought you might have a systematic, logical mind, but it seems you just have a bunch of random ideas to support your unreasoned beliefs.


And you know this how?

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If you just reject things uncritically by calling them, 'parrotted ideology,' you are behaving just as mindlessly as you claim the 'parrotting greenies' are.


Nope, I just simply knows where it really comes from. Again, do the research.
farmerman
 
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Sat 20 Oct, 2018 05:04 pm
@OldGrumpy,
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That really is a whole lot of nonsense. The Earth will never ever run out of fresh water. It really will NEVER happen.
BUT there are powers on this beautifull Earth that wants us tot hink that!


the phrase :Sack of rocks" really does describe you.
livinglava
 
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Sat 20 Oct, 2018 06:19 pm
@OldGrumpy,
OldGrumpy wrote:

That is not my point. That is about distrubution. But the earth it self will NEVER run out of fresh water. It is simply impossible.

I understand the water cycle, what powers it, how water flows from where it falls to the aquifers and out to sea.

Nothing about the water cycle prevents the possibility of humans undermining it in any number of ways. I don't know what your point is, anyway, that as long as there is fresh water raining down from the skies, the planet will be ok? That's naive.

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Nope, it this case it is very important.

Why don't you understand that 'sustainable' is a very useful term for referring to any continuous/cyclical process? If you use 5 dishes per day, but you only wash 3 per day, you're going to eventually run out of clean dishes to use? Do you understand that? If so, you understand the basic meaning of the word, 'sustainability.'

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I thought you might have a systematic, logical mind, but it seems you just have a bunch of random ideas to support your unreasoned beliefs.

And you know this how?

because you're not posting any logical reasoning that can be discussed in a way that could reveal errors or things you missed. There's no way to reason with people who refuse to submit to reason.

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Nope, I just simply knows where it really comes from. Again, do the research.

Ok, fine I googled it. Here's what google says:
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The Brundtland Report, published in 1987 by the United Nations World Commission on Environment and Development, coined the term "sustainable development" and defined it as "development that meets the needs of the present without compromising the ability of future generations to meet their own needs."
Olivier5
 
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Sat 20 Oct, 2018 10:08 pm
@farmerman,
There's no such thing as the power of nothingness, Farmer... Low pressure / void is an absence of things. An absence of things cannot break a molecule. I can't make this any clearer. Try and remember basic physics.
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OldGrumpy
 
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Sat 20 Oct, 2018 10:40 pm
@livinglava,
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I understand the water cycle, what powers it, how water flows from where it falls to the aquifers and out to sea.


As I wrote that is only part of it.


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Nothing about the water cycle prevents the possibility of humans undermining it in any number of ways. I don't know what your point is, anyway, that as long as there is fresh water raining down from the skies, the planet will be ok? That's naive.


My point? Really? ah well, the earth will never run out of water! THAT is my point. Gee, can't you read?

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because you're not posting any logical reasoning that can be discussed in a way that could reveal errors or things you missed. There's no way to reason with people who refuse to submit to reason.


Duh? where did I refuse "to submit to reason"? Nowhere! But it looks you don't like what I am writing.

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Ok, fine I googled it. Here's what google says:


It is a start, but you have to dig deeper then that.
OldGrumpy
 
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Sat 20 Oct, 2018 10:42 pm
@farmerman,
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the phrase :Sack of rocks" really does describe you.


Good! But there are NO phrases to describe your extremely stupidity!

but I can live with it!!! lol

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livinglava
 
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Sun 21 Oct, 2018 08:16 am
@OldGrumpy,
OldGrumpy wrote:

As I wrote that is only part of it.

You're not saying anything new, so why do you keep posting?

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My point? Really? ah well, the earth will never run out of water! THAT is my point. Gee, can't you read?

Yes, but you imply that it matters. You are saying something that doesn't matter and you refuse to think beyond the naive implications of the Earth never running out of fresh water.

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Duh? where did I refuse "to submit to reason"? Nowhere! But it looks you don't like what I am writing.

You think that if I liked it more, we wouldn't have to reason with each other? Like, maybe we'd just accept what each other said because we liked each other?

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It is a start, but you have to dig deeper then that.

And how exactly would I do that? I googled it and posted what I got. You can't just accept that 'sustainable' is just a word with a meaning because you simply don't want to question things that are unsustainable.

In short, you are enamored with the present and you don't care whether it destroys the future to maintain the status quo. Congratulations on mastering selfishness and indifference toward future generations. I'm sure it will win you popularity with many people.

OldGrumpy
 
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Sun 21 Oct, 2018 09:07 am
@livinglava,
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You're not saying anything new, so why do you keep posting?


to keep it going.


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Yes, but you imply that it matters. You are saying something that doesn't matter and you refuse to think beyond the naive implications of the Earth never running out of fresh water.


Hold on there now! Are you saying that it doesn't matter??????? elaborate, please.

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You think that if I liked it more, we wouldn't have to reason with each other? Like, maybe we'd just accept what each other said because we liked each other?


strange reaction this one. I don't care if you like me or not.

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And how exactly would I do that? I googled it and posted what I got. You can't just accept that 'sustainable' is just a word with a meaning because you simply don't want to question things that are unsustainable.


That you only 'googled' it does tells me enough. Do you really think that one 'google" will do the job? of course not! That is very naive of you.
And where did I wrote that I " don't want to question things that are unsustainable"? That's right, nowhere!

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In short, you are enamored with the present and you don't care whether it destroys the future to maintain the status quo. Congratulations on mastering selfishness and indifference toward future generations. I'm sure it will win you popularity with many people.


duh? and where did I wrote this, mate? I am absolutely not indifferent toward future generations, but you read into my posting things that I have never written.


The point of it all is that the Earth, and hence we human, will never be out of fresh water, NEVER. Now how more positive can you get?
That means that there never will be a shortage of water and that means we can't be scared by other people by a coming scarcity of water.
So, it even enhances our freedom. What's wrong with that?
livinglava
 
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Sun 21 Oct, 2018 09:31 am
@OldGrumpy,
OldGrumpy wrote:

to keep it going.

That's all you care about, isn't it? Going on while avoiding progressing beyond the status quo.

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Hold on there now! Are you saying that it doesn't matter??????? elaborate, please.

I already did and you ignored it.

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strange reaction this one. I don't care if you like me or not.

You brought up 'liking' as if it was relevant. I was just trying to make you realize how irrelevant it is.

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That you only 'googled' it does tells me enough. Do you really think that one 'google" will do the job? of course not! That is very naive of you.

The word has a meaning and you're playing BSing games to avoid dealing with it because you just don't want to give up unsustainable things for the benefit of future people.

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And where did I wrote that I " don't want to question things that are unsustainable"? That's right, nowhere!

You're attacking the word at its origins as if you want to eliminate its very existence.

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duh? and where did I wrote this, mate? I am absolutely not indifferent toward future generations, but you read into my posting things that I have never written.

You imply it, but maybe you just aren't savvy enough at understanding the implications of what you think and write. You might just lack logical integrity generally.

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The point of it all is that the Earth, and hence we human, will never be out of fresh water, NEVER. Now how more positive can you get?
That means that there never will be a shortage of water and that means we can't be scared by other people by a coming scarcity of water.
So, it even enhances our freedom. What's wrong with that?

It's like saying 'we humans' will never run out of money and therefore we will never be poor. It's irrelevant. It misses the reality of finance and economics completely.

OldGrumpy
 
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Sun 21 Oct, 2018 09:37 am
@livinglava,
I will ignore most of your posting because you don't seem to be able to understand it all. Hence you project your own fantasies upon it,

I will react to this:

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It's like saying 'we humans' will never run out of money and therefore we will never be poor. It's irrelevant. It misses the reality of finance and economics completely.


I hope you do understand that money isn't the same as water?!
So the analogy is completely weird and extremely wrong.
( the thing about money is worth a whole other discussion because it really doesn't work the way you think it works, in reality there is NO money at all.)

But from what you wrote I do understand you don't think water is infinite on this planet and hence it is not worth discussing????


And don't you see how positive it is if the earth will never run out of fresh water?
livinglava
 
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Sun 21 Oct, 2018 11:05 am
@OldGrumpy,
OldGrumpy wrote:

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It's like saying 'we humans' will never run out of money and therefore we will never be poor. It's irrelevant. It misses the reality of finance and economics completely.


I hope you do understand that money isn't the same as water?!
So the analogy is completely weird and extremely wrong.
( the thing about money is worth a whole other discussion because it really doesn't work the way you think it works, in reality there is NO money at all.)

I know it's different, but that's not the point. The point is that all you are saying is that no matter how many humans displace other humans to take and/or protect their water supplies, there will always be humans with water.

It's irrelevant because humans can steal from and displace each other to maintain their access to scarce water and you can still say, "humans will never run out of water." It's the same as saying that humans will never run out of money because they can just keep taking each others' money. It's irrelevant.

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But from what you wrote I do understand you don't think water is infinite on this planet and hence it is not worth discussing????

There is a huge supply of water in the oceans, but it's saline. To desalinate it requires energy. The sun evaporates water daily and it rains down over land bringing new fresh/desalinated water, but it is not an unlimited process. You can't just keep increasing the rate of water-desalination without that having destructive effects. You have to conserve water as well as energy to prevent the water cycle from growing ever more violent and destructive.

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And don't you see how positive it is if the earth will never run out of fresh water?

It would be positive if humans would learn to use water in a way that is responsible enough to avoid forced desalination and if they would learn to reduce energy usage to avoid unnecessary evaporation and thus intensification of the water supply and the damage it causes.

It would be positive if humans would embrace natural/living land cover and adapt their activities to fit within the natural ecology.

It is not positive when people naively imagine they can keep utilizing more industrial power without foreseeing the consequences.
OldGrumpy
 
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Sun 21 Oct, 2018 12:14 pm
@livinglava,
nevermind, I stop here,You really don't get it or don't want to get it.

You have been fed too much greenie propaganda and have not even a clue where it is coming from.

You do understand 'propganda' I hope.


OldGrumpy
 
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Mon 22 Oct, 2018 04:25 am
Soo, now this thread can continue with exposing the fraud 'evolution' for what it is!
najmelliw
 
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Mon 22 Oct, 2018 04:34 am
@OldGrumpy,
OldGrumpy wrote:

Soo, now this thread can continue with exposing the fraud 'evolution' for what it is!


Someday, someone should start a thread exposing the fraud 'Old Grumpy' for what it really is.

Troll.
OldGrumpy
 
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Mon 22 Oct, 2018 04:35 am
@najmelliw,
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Someday, someone should start a thread exposing the fraud 'Old Grumpy' for what it really is.

Troll.


copying, flattery etc la la la la

for now leave at the hoax called evil-lotion.
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livinglava
 
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Mon 22 Oct, 2018 05:49 am
@OldGrumpy,
OldGrumpy wrote:

nevermind, I stop here,You really don't get it or don't want to get it.

You have been fed too much greenie propaganda and have not even a clue where it is coming from.

You do understand 'propganda' I hope.

Yes, I can even spell it.

You need to stop demeaning environmentalism and sustainability as 'greenie propaganda.' To some extent you are right that many people who push green propaganda are doing so because of an ulterior motive to promote socialism, and I am also critical of that. But there are truly problems with the industrial consumerist culture that are causing real environmental problems and unsustainability. You shouldn't just pretend human culture and economics in their current state are sustainable and environmentally benevolent.
Setanta
 
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Mon 22 Oct, 2018 05:51 am
Promote socialism . . . you crack me up. You're somewhere to the right of Genghis Khan.
OldGrumpy
 
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Mon 22 Oct, 2018 06:17 am
@livinglava,
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But there are truly problems with the industrial consumerist culture that are causing real environmental problems and unsustainability.


Like what?
OldGrumpy
 
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Mon 22 Oct, 2018 06:19 am
@Setanta,
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Promote socialism . . . you crack me up. You're somewhere to the right of Genghis Khan.


alas, he is spot on there!
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livinglava
 
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Mon 22 Oct, 2018 02:28 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

Promote socialism . . . you crack me up. You're somewhere to the right of Genghis Khan.

Socialism is right wing if you look at it carefully, i.e. because it's authoritarian. Nazism was the national socialist party of Germany because it was about expecting and/or forcing everyone to work for a strong German nation.

After WWII, socialism superceded the national level with the USSR, but it took the form of welfare-state oriented governments at the national level elsewhere. Whatever form it takes, the goal is to subjugate individual liberty to collectivism and thus force people to take care of each other instead of liberating them to become more self-sufficient and independently strong at the individual level.

That is why it is ridiculous to call the critique of socialism despotic. It is the exact opposite. Socialism is authoritarian despotism in the name of managing the general social welfare.
 

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