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Why do people deny evolution?

 
 
Olivier5
 
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Thu 27 Sep, 2018 06:30 am
@Helloandgoodbye,
If God created everything, He creaed sin.
Leadfoot
 
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Thu 27 Sep, 2018 06:31 am
@farmerman,
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dna is more a phone book, where one gene may be all "smith" . Are you mot aware of how nucleotides link??
You are either showing how disingenuous you are in this discussion or you do a brain dump every night.

How many years have we been discussing how nucleotides link?
Olivier5
 
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Thu 27 Sep, 2018 07:09 am
@Leadfoot,
Quote:
how disingenuous you are

I think it's Pedanta who once said: "you can't beat this place for entertainment".
Helloandgoodbye
 
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Thu 27 Sep, 2018 07:16 am
@Olivier5,
OR, he finished creating on the sixth day, and ALlowed Sin to enter the world.

Just as he does not create cheeseburgers, make people eat them, and make them overweight and unhealthy. But he does allow it, right?
In other words, Repercussions.
Setanta
 
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Thu 27 Sep, 2018 07:18 am
@Olivier5,
Drop the name-calling, slick.
Olivier5
 
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Thu 27 Sep, 2018 07:25 am
@Helloandgoodbye,
If He allowed sin to enter the world He created, then it's His choice.
Helloandgoodbye
 
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Thu 27 Sep, 2018 07:28 am
@Olivier5,
Please give an example? Or expand on that idea a little.
Olivier5
 
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Thu 27 Sep, 2018 07:38 am
@Helloandgoodbye,
Isn't it glaringly obvious? Sadism or power-drunkness cannot be considered foreign to this world. They are part of it. We're born with certain capacities and tropisms, including the capacity to hurt other people for pleasure, to oppress other people and derive pleasure from it, etc.

And if some ID made us, he owns that part too.
farmerman
 
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Thu 27 Sep, 2018 07:48 am
@Leadfoot,
youve never really discussed the simple linkages in proteins and amino acids . Youve avoided it "religiously"
If you need a nightly brain dump to remind you, so be it.
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Helloandgoodbye
 
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Thu 27 Sep, 2018 07:54 am
@Olivier5,
If we were merely robots, without the ability to choose, And we were originally intended to die, or cause harm to others, then yes the creator would be responsible (and ‘own that’).....are you and I robots? No.
It seems you and I need toTake some accountability.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+30%3A15-20&version=NASB
Deuteronomy : Choose life, not death

Olivier5
 
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Thu 27 Sep, 2018 08:07 am
@Helloandgoodbye,
It's not like we can all decide to play nice and there'd be heaven on earth... Violence is weaved in the whole system; it makes the world go round. The ecosystem won't work without predation and competition. Capitalism won't work without competition and agression. Democracy won't work if ideas and people don't freely clash. Life, if designed, was designed as a competitive game. That's why we humans tend to enjoy competition. We're born this way.

Edit: to oppose life and death like your Deuteronomy quote does is meaningless. There's no life without death, and no death without life. Two sides of the same coin.
Helloandgoodbye
 
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Thu 27 Sep, 2018 08:59 am
@Olivier5,
Quote: ‘It's not like we can all decide to play nice and there'd be heaven on earth... Violence is weaved in the whole system; it makes the world go round’

You see, you are implying violence is a good thing. Necessity.

God has revealed that he originally created a system of peace and prosperity.
Whether it be that he created life to be vegetarian, And plans on restoring it that way, or created humans to not slit each other’s throat’s.
https://biblehub.com/isaiah/2-4.htm

https://biblehub.com/isaiah/11-6.htm

If everybody did Obey God’s Commandments from the very beginning, yes we would have a peaceful society. A ‘heavenly’ society.

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Olivier5
 
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Thu 27 Sep, 2018 09:21 am
@Helloandgoodbye,
Lions and wolves cannot eat grass. Their biology and morphology are that of predators, and they are pretty good at hunting and killing their preys; they need to be to survive. If you force them into a diet of lettuce and carrots, they will die.

If life was designed by an ID, then he designed lions and wolves as carnivores, ie as needing to kill and eat other animals to survive. Beside, even herbivores are killing the plants they eat, so there's violence right there as well.

Although there's also a capacity for collaboration and empathy in most species (e.g. sex is a form of collaboration), the whole system is inherently violent. It cannot work without some competition and death.
Olivier5
 
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Thu 27 Sep, 2018 09:22 am
@Setanta,
Stop arguing all the time, will you?
Helloandgoodbye
 
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Thu 27 Sep, 2018 10:06 am
@Olivier5,
Oh ye of little faith.
We have physically observed vegetarian lions. Vegetarian spiders that eat seeds, vegetarian Pirahna, vegetarian vultures etc. Etc.
One of my favorites, is knowing that when he returns, he will make mosquitoes use their needles for plant juice instead of my blood! It is going to be awesome!

https://creation.com/the-lion-that-wouldnt-eat-meat

Remember, when it comes to morality issues revolving around homosexuality, abortion, sex outside of marriage, our opinions don’t matter, God is king and dictates right from wrong.
If God says that eating plants originally was good, then it is good. And after the flood, when God Said eating flesh is OK, It is ok.

Life is in the blood:
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.biblegateway.com/passage/%3fsearch=Leviticus%2b17:11&version=NKJV&interface=amp

Oh, the terrible repercussions of sin:(
OldGrumpy
 
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Thu 27 Sep, 2018 10:09 am
@Olivier5,
Quote:
Says the guy who keeps calling everyone else stupid...


Oh really do I?
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farmerman
 
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Thu 27 Sep, 2018 10:11 am
@Olivier5,
yah, theres no convincing evidence that cats and dogs were first vehetarians.
I always wondered how easily the Creationist?IDers could accept that BS when ALL evidence clearly shows what eutherian ancestors to placentals and marsupials would eat. They were mostly omnivorous, more like insectivores and seed eaters (and were tiny. As the dinosurs left the scene, Our fossil record is overwhelminly showing that mammals split into several classes that were dominated by herbivore grazers and browsers and carnivores and omnivores. Dogs an cats weasels and bears left fossils showing their carnivore preferences from the earliest fossils we have . (Andrewsarchus , Hyaenodon (a creodont) ). The omnivores included Hesperyodon. But they were teeny suckers that waited till the Miocene to evolve into larger forms as the climates moderated as their home mountain ranges eroded and their environments became savannas .



Helloandgoodbye
 
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Thu 27 Sep, 2018 11:20 am
@farmerman,
Where is the evidence in your last post? All you seem to have done is Reiterate evolutionism beliefs.
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Olivier5
 
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Thu 27 Sep, 2018 12:48 pm
@Helloandgoodbye,
Even if that story is true, about that one lioness who survived on a diet of cooked grain, raw eggs and milk, that lioness still can't eat grass and therefore wouldn't survive in the wild because she wouldn't find enough grain, eggs and milk around to sustain herself.
Helloandgoodbye
 
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Thu 27 Sep, 2018 01:10 pm
@Olivier5,
Still didn’t Need meat tho huh?😎

Keep in mind it was the GARDEN of Eden, and that before the flood the earth was much more lush with plant life, probably a lot more variation too.
This is why animals after the flood, when food sources were diminishing, began to resort to flesh.

Also keep in mind because things are ‘DE-evolving’ if anything, specialized diets are probably more common now in life forms than their much more Hardy ancestors.

At the end of the day, if the intelligent designer wanted the lion to live on no food at all, what would be the problem?
 

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