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Why do people deny evolution?

 
 
Leadfoot
 
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Wed 26 Sep, 2018 09:31 am
@Setanta,
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What kind of jackass designed the duck billed platypus? What kind of design flaw is our appendix? What was the design purpose of cholera, ebola, prions? Any alleged designer was a first class dickhead.

The designer obviously meant this software defined lifeform for temporary use only.

You are preprogrammed to die, get over it.
OldGrumpy
 
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Wed 26 Sep, 2018 09:34 am
@Leadfoot,
You are preprogrammed to die, get over it.


The body yes, not the personallity. We 'live' for ever.
Leadfoot
 
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Wed 26 Sep, 2018 10:00 am
@farmerman,
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but youre becoming a bore by dismissing really good science

So you say.

I became bored with your arguments the first time you refused to follow the argument surrounding what DNA and the architecture around it. Your defense of 'complexity' as a feature of naturally occurring chemical reactions has no basis in science.

This was from another thread but it is at the core of the argument:
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Farmer:
The nucleoties can only be linked in a few means
1nucleotides to themselves or nucleoties to those of same base. (Purines to purines and pyrimidines to pyrimidines)


I have asked you to account for the order of nucleotides necessary for a minimally complex organism via natural means. You have accounted for the possible transition from RNA to DNA, but not the original information in the RNA. You invoke 'archaea' as a magic spell and pretend that they explain it all.

You and others have stated that the increase in functional complexity is 'natural' but have no mechanism for it other than an accident of random chance. Gene doubling/duplication does nothing for functional complexity. Two copies of the same book gives no increase in 'information', let alone function.

By insisting that 'somehow the chemistry happened just so' is tantamount to ros's 'poofism'.
Leadfoot
 
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Wed 26 Sep, 2018 10:29 am
@OldGrumpy,
Quote:
Leadfoot said:
"You are preprogrammed to die, get over it."


The body yes, not the personallity. We 'live' for ever.

In what sense or form does the personality persist?
OldGrumpy
 
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Wed 26 Sep, 2018 11:10 am
@Leadfoot,
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In what sense or form does the personality persist?


How your individually 'are' at the moment of 'death' will continue.
There is no 'death' in the sense that everything stops.
"Death' is just a transition.

Stugy e.g. the works of Elisabeth Kübler-Ross, and there is so much more, like NDE's etc etc.

http://www.quotehd.com/imagequotes/authors54/elisabeth-kubler-ross-death-quotes-ive-told-my-children-that-when-i.jpg


https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcScwtlNDG_pJqPPDEOeT1ZnH0sGkeYAkrD9b9ZvWIPLT1W36gc
OldGrumpy
 
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Wed 26 Sep, 2018 11:17 am
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTLXA785OE01iu-PzA0bdTSBGbWdItjof6Aqwe9lbgaiEsgzELv
Leadfoot
 
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Wed 26 Sep, 2018 11:41 am
@OldGrumpy,
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Death' is just a transition.


I happen to think so too, I just wondered on what basis you did.

Sounds like you're happy with Ms. Kubler-Ross, et al as yours. I like a little more meat in my sandwhich.
farmerman
 
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Wed 26 Sep, 2018 12:07 pm
@Leadfoot,
dna is more a phone book, where one gene may be all "smith" . Are you mot aware of how nucleotides link??

OldGrumpy
 
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Wed 26 Sep, 2018 12:19 pm
@Leadfoot,
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Sounds like you're happy with Ms. Kubler-Ross, et al as yours. I like a little more meat in my sandwhich.


There is sooooo much more material, including my own experiences.
Kubler Ross was just one example.
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OldGrumpy
 
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Wed 26 Sep, 2018 01:12 pm
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a few nut bags that I see nattering on about surviving death.


duh?
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Setanta
 
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Wed 26 Sep, 2018 01:18 pm
I'm long "over it." The thought of oblivion does not dismay me. It's only the god squad and a few nut bags that I see nattering on about surviving death. The more you attempt to forward a narrative about a designer, the more of an idiot-child your designer appears. You have not answered a single question I posed you, you just came in to make a typically snide remark precisely because you cannot answer the question.

Basically, ID and so many other forms of crypto-religious narratives that falsely claim a scientific basis are attempting to salvage the claim of a special relationship with their magic sky daddy. Even some of the creationists are willing to stipulate so-called micro-evolution, but the cling to their claim of a special creation for humans. Leaving aside the hilarious idiocy of claiming that such an intelligence would, in this vast cosmos, make a special effort on this little speck of dirt, orbiting a not very prepossessing star on the fringes of one of the billions of galaxies in the cosmos--the entire sequence makes your putative intelligence look like a kid playing with a stick in a mud puddle. That narrative is risible on the face of it. An un-guided, evolutionary process is a perfectly plausible narrative, for which there is a mountain of scientific evidence. Your alleged intelligent designer has ZERO evidence--and the same goes for the magic sky daddy (whom you are deceitfully denying--wait, was that a cock crowing I just heard?).

Your response assumes your premise in the other thread--sad, but not surprising.
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Olivier5
 
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Thu 27 Sep, 2018 03:48 am
@OldGrumpy,
See? You DO believe in magic...
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Olivier5
 
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Thu 27 Sep, 2018 03:56 am
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80,000 people died of flu last winter in US

https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/news/apnewsbreak-80-000-people-died-flu-last-winter-193845195.html

Tell you what: those 80,000 people -- plus all those who got sick and recovered -- they did see evolution happen... The flue virus mutates regularly; that's the only way it can beat our immune system.
OldGrumpy
 
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Thu 27 Sep, 2018 04:04 am
@Olivier5,
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Tell you what: those 80,000 people -- plus all those who got sick and recovered -- they did see evolution happen... The flue virus mutates regularly; that's the only way it can beat our immune system.


Yes, and if you wait long enough they turn in dogs and then in cats and then in ....humans!!!


lol, the stupidity of ev_th in a nutshell!

Olivier5
 
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Thu 27 Sep, 2018 04:26 am
@OldGrumpy,
Small streams make big rivers.
OldGrumpy
 
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Thu 27 Sep, 2018 04:55 am
@Olivier5,
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Small streams make big rivers.


yeahhhhh good analogy eh!! and some **** can make eyebalss, right?!

Man o man,
Olivier5
 
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Thu 27 Sep, 2018 05:22 am
@OldGrumpy,
Well, you do have **** for brain, so why not **** for eyeballs?
OldGrumpy
 
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Thu 27 Sep, 2018 05:49 am
@Olivier5,
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Well, you do have **** for brain, so why not **** for eyeballs?


Ohhhh the ad hominems again! Best sign of intellectual weakness, eh?!
Helloandgoodbye
 
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Thu 27 Sep, 2018 06:17 am
@Setanta,
Quote:’What kind of jackass designed the duck billed platypus? What kind of design flaw is our appendix? What was the design purpose of cholera, ebola, prions? Any alleged designer was a first class dickhead.’

What about the platypus or appendix?

Could not the existence of Ebola and such be evidence of a good loving intelligent designer creating a world without such things, yet because of sin, such things now exist.
In other words, Because of rebellious humans, which are the ‘dickheads.’ ( The problem which needs fixing) you and I.....Not The designer.

Does this interpretation cross your mind at all? do you suppose that you could be just denying it because you do not want to face the fact that you are ‘screwed up‘ ya know?

Again, it’s all about interpretation. You guys just continuously demonstrate how wrong and backward/opposite/mirror image you have nearly everything....like the’ old me.’
And this is why evolutionism is a great deception and illusion.

Olivier5
 
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Thu 27 Sep, 2018 06:29 am
@OldGrumpy,
Says the guy who keeps calling everyone else stupid...
 

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