@Setanta,
Quote:I see you're peddling your usual bullshit, and once again, it's about so-called abiogenesis (learn to spell the word if you're going to posting on an English language forum), and once again, it's pure ipse dixit bullshit. Roswell has already pointed out that your statement is unfounded. Really, it's both hilarious and disgusting how you seem to think you can formulate a debate position based on bullshit word salads and statements from an authority which you do not possess.
Wiki is footnoted from authoritative sources.
Quote:Current models
There is no single, generally accepted model for the origin of life. Scientists have proposed several plausible hypotheses, which share some common elements. While differing in the details, these hypotheses are based on the framework laid out by Alexander Oparin (in 1924) and by J. B. S. Haldane (in 1925), who postulated the molecular or chemical evolution theory of life.[102] According to them, the first molecules constituting the earliest cells "were synthesized under natural conditions by a slow process of molecular evolution, and these molecules then organized into the first molecular system with properties with biological order".
There framework is base on hypotheses developed in 1924 and 1925. They provide no explanation of how the information was organized nor do they reveal any understanding of the underlying codes and processes that had to be established (qm, biochemistry and DNA) before life could be initiated. The origins of those processes must be explained before the origins of life can be understood because either they have a built in system that was designed to create life or they are a tool an intelligence can use to create life. It is not logical to assume that a complex system came into existence without first being an idea someone thought up. We have never witnessed that happening. (If we have provide the physical evidence)
All intelligent ideas need a system set up in the physical world for the purpose to physically represent an intelligent idea because, intelligent ideas do not appear to be physical things. If they are could you show me how atoms obtain the intelligence to create ideas.
It is logical to assume that ideas manipulate matter to store and share ideas with other individual intelligent beings. It is logical to assume that an intelligence existed before matter and arranged matter for that purpose (especially when someone stepped onto the earth named Jesus Who claimed to be the words that physically represent that intelligence so we could get to know and understand the intelligence we know as God).
Matter represents ideas it does not create ideas. All Ideas follow this sequence of development.
1. An idea is thought up.
2. In the case of man it is stored in matter in someones brain. In the case of God it can be stored in any atom in the universe.
3. In the case of man, the atoms in that brain are part of a physical system that is designed for the purpose to build a physical representation of that idea that can be shared with other minds. ( patterns stored in spheres known as atoms). In the case of God all the atoms of the universe are available for His manipulation.
4. Another intelligent mind then decodes the pattern and if it is human rather than animal it can comment on whether the Idea is good or bad.
