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Why do people deny evolution?

 
 
Quehoniaomath
 
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Sat 7 Nov, 2015 12:39 am
@McGentrix,
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What? You asked a question and I answered it and you ask "why?"


very good, kiddie! Now answer the please or state that you can't.

I know, I know.
McGentrix
 
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Sat 7 Nov, 2015 12:41 am
@Quehoniaomath,
Quehoniaomath wrote:

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What? You asked a question and I answered it and you ask "why?"


very good, kiddie! Now answer the please or state that you can't.

I know, I know.


If you look in a mirror you will see evidence of macro evolution. Providing you are a Homo sapien that is.
martinies
 
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Sat 7 Nov, 2015 12:47 am
@Quehoniaomath,
The action at a distance seen in entanglment is indistinguishable from the relativity seen in normal everyday action. Both action at a distance and the relativity in normal action are the same nonlocal cause of creation and change . Consciousness prexisted the big bang event as quantum nonlocality and is the true identity of an observer. The event identity of the observer is false identity.
McGentrix
 
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Sat 7 Nov, 2015 12:53 am
@martinies,
martinies wrote:

The action at a distance seen in entanglment is indistinguishable from the relativity seen in normal everyday action. Both action at a distance and the relativity in normal action are the same nonlocal cause of creation and change . Consciousness prexisted the big bang event as quantum nonlocality and is the true identity of an observer. The event identity of the observer is false identity.


I imagine an array of words taken from a quantum physics book and then placed in a mad lib sentence when I read that. You have words and they sound impressive but when read make no sense in the order presented.

Surely you can translate this down to a more ordinary description that would make sense.
Quehoniaomath
 
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Sat 7 Nov, 2015 01:01 am
@McGentrix,
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If you look in a mirror you will see evidence of macro evolution. Providing you are a Homo sapien that is.


lol, so far the funniest 'evidence' I have heard of , of course it is no evidence at all, but you can try to enlighten me.
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martinies
 
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Sat 7 Nov, 2015 02:38 am
@McGentrix,
In a nonlocal sense A and B dont exist but when A and B are caused to exist in locality the difference between individual locals A and B still remains nonlocal. The difference in the matrix of things in the event therefor is nonlocality and experienced as relativity in Consciousness . Relativity experiences the observer as consciousness.
Quehoniaomath
 
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Sat 7 Nov, 2015 02:43 am
@martinies,
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In anonlocal sense A and B dont exist but when A and B are caused to exist in locality the difference in and A and B still remains nonlocal. The difference in the matrix of things in the event therefor is nonlocality aad experienced as relativity. In Consciousness . Relativity experiences the observer as consciousness.


please define some things:

local & non-local
matrix of things
relativity

thanks
gungasnake
 
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Sat 7 Nov, 2015 02:55 am
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Why do people deny evolution?


Mainly because evolution is a bunch of pseudoscientific bullshit.

A proof or disproof is a kind of a transaction. There is no such thing as absolutely proving or disproving something; there is only such a thing as proving or disproving something to SOMEBODY'S satisfaction. If the party of the second part is too thick or too ideologically committed to some other way of viewing reality, then the best proof in the world will fall flat and fail.

In the case of evolution, what you have is a theory which has been repeatedly and overwhelmingly disproved over a period of many decades now via a number of independent lines reasoning and yet the adherents go on with it as if nothing had happened and, in fact, demand that the doctrine be taught in public schools at public expense and that no other theory of origins even ever be mentioned in public schools, and attempt to enforce all of that via political power plays and lawsuits.

At that point, it is clear enough that no disproof or combination of disproofs would ever suffice, that the doctrine is in fact unfalsifiable and that Carl popper's criteria for a pseudoscience is in fact met.

Once again for anybody who may have missed this earlier:

The educated lay person is not aware of how overwhelmingly evolution has been debunked over the last century.

The following is a minimal list of entire categories of evidence disproving evolution:

The decades-long experiments with fruit flies beginning in the early 1900s. Those tests were intended to demonstrate macroevolution; the failure of those tests was so unambiguous that a number of prominent scientists disavowed evolution at the time.

The discovery of the DNA/RNA info codes (information codes do not just sort of happen...)

The fact that the info code explained the failure of the fruit-fly experiments (the whole thing is driven by information and the only info there ever was in that picture was the info for a fruit fly...)

The discovery of bio-electrical machinery within 1-celled animals.

The question of irreducible complexity.

The Haldane Dilemma. That is, the gigantic spaces of time it would take to spread any genetic change through an entire herd of animals.

The increasingly massive evidence of a recent age for dinosaurs. This includes soft tissue being found in dinosaur remains, good radiocarbon dates for dinosaur remains (blind tests at the University of Georgia's dating lab), and native American petroglyphs clearly showing known dinosaur types.

The fact that the Haldane dilemma and the recent findings related to dinosaurs amount to a sort of a time sandwich (evolutionites need quadrillions of years and only have a few tens of thousands).

The dna analysis eliminating neanderthals and thus all other hominids as plausible human ancestors.

The total lack of intermediate fossils where the theory demands that the bulk of all fossils be clear intermediate types. "Punctuated Equilibria" in fact amounts to an attempt to get around both the Haldane dilemma and the lack of intermediate fossils, but has an entirely new set of overwhelming problems of its own...

The question of genetic entropy.

The obvious evidence of design in nature.

The arguments arising from pure probability and combinatoric considerations.


Here's what I mean when I use the term "combinatoric considerations"...

The best illustration of how stupid evolutionism really is involves trying to become some totally new animal with new organs, a new basic plan for existence, and new requirements for integration between both old and new organs.

Take flying birds for example; suppose you aren't one, and you want to become one. You'll need a baker's dozen highly specialized systems, including wings, flight feathers, the specialized system which allows flight feathers to pivot so as to open on upstrokes and close to trap air on downstrokes (like a venetian blind), a specialized light bone structure, specialized flow-through design heart and lungs, specialized tail, specialized general balance parameters etc.

For starters, every one of these things would be antifunctional until the day on which the whole thing came together, so that the chances of evolving any of these things by any process resembling evolution (mutations plus selection) would amount to an infinitessimal, i.e. one divided by some gigantic number.

In probability theory, to compute the probability of two things happening at once, you multiply the probabilities together. That says that the likelihood of all these things ever happening, best case, is ten or twelve such infinitessimals multiplied together, i.e. a tenth or twelth-order infinitessimal. The whole history of the universe isn't long enough for that to happen once.

All of that was the best case. In real life, it's even worse than that. In real life, natural selection could not plausibly select for hoped-for functionality, which is what would be required in order to evolve flight feathers on something which could not fly apriori. In real life, all you'd ever get would some sort of a random walk around some starting point, rather than the unidircetional march towards a future requirement which evolution requires.

And the real killer, i.e. the thing which simply kills evolutionism dead, is the following consideration: In real life, assuming you were to somehow miraculously evolve the first feature you'd need to become a flying bird, then by the time another 10,000 generations rolled around and you evolved the second such reature, the first, having been disfunctional/antifunctional all the while, would have DE-EVOLVED and either disappeared altogether or become vestigial.

Now, it would be miraculous if, given all the above, some new kind of complex creature with new organs and a new basic plan for life had ever evolved ONCE.

Evolutionism, however (the Theory of Evolution) requires that this has happened countless billions of times, i.e. an essentially infinite number of absolutely zero probability events.

I ask you: What could be stupider than that?


Fruit flies breed new generations every few days. Running a continuous decades-long experiment on fruit flies will involve more generations of fruit flies than there have ever been of anything resembling humans on Earth. Evolution is supposed to be driven by random mutation and natural selection; they subjected those flies to everything in the world known to cause mutations and recombined the mutants every possible way, and all they ever got was fruit flies.

Richard Goldschmidt wrote the results of all of that up in 1940, noting that it was then obvious enough that no combination of mutation and selection could ever produce a new kind of animal.

There is no excuse for evolution to ever have been taught in schools after 1940.

martinies
 
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Sat 7 Nov, 2015 02:56 am
@Quehoniaomath,
Nonlocal =nonphysical
Locality = physical presents in timespace.
Matrix =relative physics
Relativity = difference. The difference is nonphysical
Quehoniaomath
 
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Sat 7 Nov, 2015 02:58 am
@gungasnake,
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Mainly because evolution is a bunch of pseudoscientific bullshit.


How I do agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Quehoniaomath
 
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Sat 7 Nov, 2015 03:06 am
@martinies,
ok I think I have the first three
can you elaborate on the 4th?
martinies
 
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Sat 7 Nov, 2015 03:19 am
@Quehoniaomath,
Well if nothing exists (nonlocality) and then from nothing A and B are caused to exist a relativity or difference at the same moment will exist between A and B. The difference in the AB is something that has been caused from nothing and is therefor nothing or nonlocality. So as an observer of A+B our consciousness takes on the relativeness or plus which is the difference. So in effect the difference enjoys A+B as consciousness of A+B in the event as an observer. Or a you.
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FBM
 
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Sat 7 Nov, 2015 04:42 am
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

I imagine an array of words taken from a quantum physics book and then placed in a mad lib sentence when I read that. You have words and they sound impressive but when read make no sense in the order presented.

Surely you can translate this down to a more ordinary description that would make sense.


His posts are both good and original: http://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/06/17/good-original/
Briancrc
 
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Sat 7 Nov, 2015 06:27 am
@McGentrix,
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If you look in a mirror you will see evidence of macro evolution. Providing you are a Homo sapien that is.


People who deny macro evolution have to ignore the fossil record. They take the naming convention that exists for naming fossils AS THE evidence that transitional fossils do not exist. As though the naming convention should be "this is the transitional animal between (Latin name 1) and (Latin name 2)", they have to ignore fossils such as abulocetus natans (the walking whale); or if not ignore it, develop a smear campaign on sites like true.origin.

If that is not enough, to fit the fairytale that evolution isn't firmly established, then they ignore the whole genome sequence data for chimpanzees and humans with its beautiful explanation for the 48 chromosomes of the chimpanzee and the 46 of the human. Human chromosome number 2 shows perfectly that it is the fusion of two primate chromosomes. If evolution was wrong about our relationship to primates, then these 2 chromosomes would have been unaccounted for, which isn't the case. But these data, or any data do not matter, because the truth of evolution is not the issue. The issue is relative to the implications to the world view for people who have rejected evolution. Their conceptions of things is fundamentally destroyed, which they cannot accept, and therefore, their brains shut down when presented with facts.
Quehoniaomath
 
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Sat 7 Nov, 2015 06:46 am
@Briancrc,
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If that is not enough, to fit the fairytale that evolution isn't firmly established, then they ignore the whole genome sequence data for chimpanzees and humans with its beautiful explanation for the 48 chromosomes of the chimpanzee and the 46 of the human.


ignore?? no way, but it doesn't mean a thing!
You reallly have to dig deeper then this!
there are animals within the same species in which they differ enormously in their dna! It really doesn't mean a thing!
martinies
 
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Sat 7 Nov, 2015 06:51 am
@FBM,
Neutrality does not have the aim of being either good or origonal. But to express neutrality is maybe impossible as nothing said sums it up as existance.
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Quehoniaomath
 
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Sat 7 Nov, 2015 07:02 am
if you want to use dna for evolution have a good laugh!


evolution is obsolete, it is sooo clear

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DNA the tiny code that is toppling evolution,

Dr. Meyer considers the recent discoveries about DNA as the Achilles” heel of evolutionary theory. He observes: “Evolutionists are still trying to apply Darwin's nineteenth-century thinking to a twenty-first century reality, and it's not working … I think the information revolution taking place in biology is sounding the death knell for Darwinism and chemical evolutionary theories” (quoted by Strobel, p. 243).~

http://www.ucg.org/the-good-news/dna-the-tiny-code-thats-toppling-evolution





of course the non sense was never good to start with!





cause it is all nonsense
martinies
 
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Sat 7 Nov, 2015 07:35 am
@Quehoniaomath,
Yeah relativeness as a coincedents inside dna making event design desisions in co hortes with the relative general event enviroment.
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Briancrc
 
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Sat 7 Nov, 2015 07:58 am
@Quehoniaomath,
Wrong answer. What did the geneticists find different about the second human chromosome? Something in particular was different. Something that your facile chromosomes are different answer doesn't address.
Quehoniaomath
 
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Sat 7 Nov, 2015 08:31 am
@Briancrc,
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Wrong answer. What did the geneticists find different about the second human chromosome? Something in particular was different. Something that your facile chromosomes are different answer doesn't address.



lol, tell me more! lol
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