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Why do people deny evolution?

 
 
parados
 
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Tue 21 Jul, 2015 01:54 pm
@martinies,
Quote:
Ok lets simplify it. Awareness its self dosnt move

Obviously, when you walked across the room you left your awareness behind.
martinies
 
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Tue 21 Jul, 2015 02:08 pm
@parados,
Awarenesses ref frame is ya head and thats always moving wether ya crossing a room or sitting in ya chair watch the telly avin a beer. Ha
parados
 
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Tue 21 Jul, 2015 02:11 pm
@martinies,
Why am I not surprised that you think your head moves at the speed of light?
martinies
 
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Tue 21 Jul, 2015 02:20 pm
@parados,
Ya awarenesses frame of ref is ya movin brain but ya awareness is always stationary to c parados me old china.
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MontereyJack
 
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Tue 21 Jul, 2015 04:42 pm
jibber jabber jibber jabber. go haunt some other thread so we can get back to talking about evolution
martinies
 
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Wed 22 Jul, 2015 02:22 am
@MontereyJack,
But the question at hand is why do people deny evolution. And they do so because they dont like souless ass holes puting over there is no god. Im piontin out that there is a god and is completly compatable with evolution. So put that well in ya pipe n smoke it mate. You can cossy chat any where.
Setanta
 
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Wed 22 Jul, 2015 02:54 am
@martinies,
Your English gets worse, not better. There is no verb "pute" in English. There is no verb "piont" in English. Evolutionary biology does not specify that there is or is not a god--evolutionary biology doesn't care about that. If there is a god, as you claim, where is your evidence? You're an idiot.
martinies
 
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Wed 22 Jul, 2015 03:14 am
@Setanta,
The evidents is your awareness of c not moving in a ref frame.
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FBM
 
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Wed 22 Jul, 2015 06:58 am
Gotta admit, even though I have martini on Ignore, the snippits of his posts that I see quoted in others' posts are tempting me to take him off Ignore so that I can get the full comedic value. I mean, that's cheap entertainment at its cheapest and entertainingest...
izzythepush
 
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Wed 22 Jul, 2015 07:45 am
@FBM,
This is just above your post.

Quote:
The evidents is your


Is the evidents overwhelming?
FBM
 
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Wed 22 Jul, 2015 07:48 am
@izzythepush,
Sorry, but I consider that to be cheap entertainment. Heh heh.
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farmerman
 
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Wed 22 Jul, 2015 08:12 am
@izzythepush,
martinis is so focused on "c" that he has used his entire puters allotment of that letter. Hed have to get his muthaboard all restocked.
izzythepush
 
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Wed 22 Jul, 2015 08:26 am
@farmerman,
Evidently.
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martinies
 
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Wed 22 Jul, 2015 10:30 am
@farmerman,
Can you see brains could be experiencing nonlocality as there consciousness or awareness. This nonlocal awareness is shown up in knowning light always hits a mirror at c . If the mirror is stationary so is the awareness of the observer that knows that fact.
Krumple
 
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Wed 22 Jul, 2015 10:46 am
@martinies,
martinies wrote:
If the mirror is stationary so is the awareness of the observer that knows that fact.


Uhg, I don't know why I bother but if the mirror is not stationary does that mean that the awareness of the observer is also not stationary?

Also if you place that same mirror in water, the light does not hit it at c. Sorry. Light doesn't travel at c through all mediums.

Also I don't know why I am indulging you on this but;

http://i.stack.imgur.com/JT79Y.gif

Light in fibre optic cables technically doesn't travel at c either.
martinies
 
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Wed 22 Jul, 2015 12:15 pm
@Krumple,
Krump thats just it we as observers know the mirror is always stationary to c the speed of the photon that is is hitting it. Its our awareness that then is nonmoving and therefor nonlocal to the event in progress our awareness is as stationary as any mirror in any frame of ref. Mirrors and radios are always stationary in any ref frame to c. It strikes mee some on this forum would not know what a frame of ref is let alone what c means in respect to that. We are brothers in the respect krump that we know. Ha.
Syamsu
 
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Wed 22 Jul, 2015 03:26 pm
@martinies,
Evolution theory is not really compatible with belief in God. Creationism is compatible with belief in God.
martinies
 
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Wed 22 Jul, 2015 06:35 pm
@Syamsu,
Well creation and evolution are part and parcel of each other . Creation happened from nonlocality with the big bang causing locality.The event then did the rest on automatic creating us humans as observers with an awareness stationary to c . C represents the whole bang event as far as location is concerned and the awareness of being stationary to it c means the stationary thing is infinite and nonlocal in nature. So we as humans have local brains that operate in an event that exists below c but have an awareness that is nonlocal and stationary to c.
Krumple
 
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Wed 22 Jul, 2015 09:58 pm
@martinies,
martinies wrote:

Krump thats just it we as observers know the mirror is always stationary to c the speed of the photon that is is hitting it.


The mirror is NOT always stationary. For example we have large telescopes that use large mirrors. Well the Earth is NOT stationary, it is being drug along by the galaxy and the galaxy is moving through space at over 400,000 m/s. So NO this mirror is NOT stationary.

martinies wrote:

Its our awareness that then is nonmoving and therefor nonlocal to the event in progress our awareness is as stationary as any mirror in any frame of ref. Mirrors and radios are always stationary in any ref frame to c. It strikes mee some on this forum would not know what a frame of ref is let alone what c means in respect to that. We are brothers in the respect krump that we know. Ha.


Actually I would not go out on a limb here to say, you have no clue what you are talking about.

martinies wrote:

Mirrors and radios are always stationary in any ref frame to c


This is simply not the case. You can't have a velocity for c and at the same time suggest all objects relative to a photon must therefore be stationary in it's frame of reference while it is at c.

All you have to do to determine this, is figure out how much an object moves within the time frame. To say it doesn't is just plain absurd. It moves but probably very little compared.

Also if things did not move then there would have been no way to determine the speed of light.

Fizeau's 1850 experiment wouldn't have been able to taken place if all objects are stationary in a photons reference frame.

Let me explain why. The experiment used a gear with slits in it. The gear was spun at certain speeds. Well the light from the source would need to pass through the slit, bounce off a mirror and come straight back however; the gear was spinning and therefore might not make it back through a second slit.

If all objects are stationary in the reference frame of a photon while at c then the gear should not be moving yet how is it that some photons make it through one slit but not the second slit? The gear should not be moving yet it is. Just very slowly compared.

So in conclusion. You have no clue what you are talking so can we kill this whole non-local, local c bullshit please?
martinies
 
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Thu 23 Jul, 2015 04:28 am
@Krumple,
Krump heres something from a book called science matters.
Reference frames.
When you sit in a chair at home you observe the world from a frame reference that is firmly attached to earth. If you ride by in a car or plane on the other hand you observe the world from a frame of reference that is moving with respect to the earth. In either case you are an observer in the relative sence . In either frame of reference you could set up a physics lab and perform experiments. In either frame of reference you could describe physical phenomena and deduce laws of nature. No matter what your frame of reference you can think of your self as being stationary while the countryside whizzes past you.
Most of us think of earth as the right frame of reference and unconsciously put ourselves into an earthbound frame wether we are moving or not. But have you ever,whilst sitting in an aeroplane being pushed back from the gate or sat on a bus backing out of the station, thought for one moment that the plane or bus next to you was moving forwards. In that instant before your conscious mind took over and reimposed its prejudice you were a true relatistic observer. Your frame of reference was your own fixed centre of the universe and everything else was moving around you. Einstiens relativity.
 

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