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Why do people deny evolution?

 
 
Krumple
 
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Thu 23 Jul, 2015 05:04 am
@martinies,
martinies wrote:

Krump heres something from a book called science matters.
Reference frames.
When you sit in a chair at home you observe the world from a frame reference that is firmly attached to earth. If you ride by in a car or plane on the other hand you observe the world from a frame of reference that is moving with respect to the earth. In either case you are an observer in the relative sence . In either frame of reference you could set up a physics lab and perform experiments. In either frame of reference you could describe physical phenomena and deduce laws of nature. No matter what your frame of reference you can think of your self as being stationary while the countryside whizzes past you.
Most of us think of earth as the right frame of reference and unconsciously put ourselves into an earthbound frame wether we are moving or not. But have you ever,whilst sitting in an aeroplane being pushed back from the gate or sat on a bus backing out of the station, thought for one moment that the plane or bus next to you was moving forwards. In that instant before your conscious mind took over and reimposed its prejudice you were a true relatistic observer. Your frame of reference was your own fixed centre of the universe and everything else was moving around you. Einstiens relativity.


You are contradicting yourself now or you don't understand frame of references.

I'll use your own example.

If you were riding on that photon (ie. the train) it would appear as though the mirror was coming at you at c. According to you on the photon you are stationary, non-moving meanwhile all other objects are whizzing by at c.

But this is not what you claimed earlier. You were saying that mirror is stationary in all frames of reference. This can not be the case if you take the frame of the photon.

It is clear you really don't have a grasp of physics. You have read a book and think you have understood what was explained but clearly you don't fully understand it. You think you do, which is cute but maybe physics is just not a subject for you.
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Syamsu
 
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Thu 23 Jul, 2015 06:16 am
@martinies,
My understanding about it is that it is a fault in Einstein's theory that it can only be applied with a steady frame of reference.

To correct that fault you have to construe objects as consisting of the laws of nature. The objects then have an anticipation element "attached" in regards to the future, and a retardation element in regards to the past.

And then you can derive the Einstein's general relativity data from a moving or accellarating frame of reference.
martinies
 
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Thu 23 Jul, 2015 08:18 am
@Syamsu,
You may or may not be correct here you and krump cant see what I am getting at. I understand that ordinary physics stuff. I am saying our awareness at the on/off level is nonlocal. Krump thinks some how that I ment that a stationary mirror to c would mean the observer would be stationary to a photon. When I said stationary to a photon I ment the photon hits the observer at c but the observers actual awareness is nolocal the exact same as the photons ref frame. I had an out of body experience and its the only way it can be explained. May be wrong though.
parados
 
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Thu 23 Jul, 2015 09:34 am
@martinies,
Quote:
I had an out of body experience and its the only way it can be explained. May be wrong though.

Is that different from an out of your mind experience?
martinies
 
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Thu 23 Jul, 2015 10:23 pm
@parados,
When you get to where i was in the obe and you will ,fear may kick in like I said only love can exist in that state the kind of love that would lay down its event life for a friend. Fear and love dont mixe. The obe is you as nonlocality so ya dont move. Your on ya own with god which is just nonlocality ya local mind cant exist there for long because nonlocality is time. So time as we experience it in event terms dosnt exist in nonlocality. Nonlocality is your awareness in the event or consciousness. So ya carry over ya conscience into nonlocality when ya die. Thats the best I can put it.love is the only way into heaven which is nonlocality.
parados
 
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Fri 24 Jul, 2015 08:27 am
@martinies,
I hope I never get stuck in the part of the oboe you are stuck in.
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Quehoniaomath
 
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Sat 25 Jul, 2015 06:14 am
I thought this thread was on the religion of evolution??? not the more then stupid religion of relativity!
farmerman
 
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Sat 25 Jul, 2015 08:35 am
@Quehoniaomath,
our resident self-proclaimed genius is back dithering about something he knows nothing about yet feels competent to critique . SOUNDS LIKE A CHRISTIAN CRETIONIST TO ME
Quehoniaomath
 
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Sat 25 Jul, 2015 08:44 am
@farmerman,
Quote:
SOUNDS LIKE A CHRISTIAN CRETIONIST TO ME


Nope! But nice try to defend your religion.
You should have kwon all this if you really have read my earlier postings.
Furthermore, it is nothing more, again, then a cheap ad hominem.
But aren't we used that from you? answer:yes

yawn...
farmerman
 
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Sat 25 Jul, 2015 08:51 am
@Quehoniaomath,
whatever dude. If you cant discuss it , youre only worth ridicule. SO natter on .
Quehoniaomath
 
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Sat 25 Jul, 2015 08:52 am
@farmerman,
yawn, just leave me alone. You ar nothing more then a boring troll who isn't able to think.


Yawn...
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thack45
 
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Sat 25 Jul, 2015 08:54 am
@farmerman,
So what do these guys lose their passwords, or just go off meds for a while and come back to share their "clear" thinking?
izzythepush
 
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Sat 25 Jul, 2015 09:06 am
@thack45,
It's just a case of grabbing the right analogy. Think of God as a helicopter with a parachute, lots of chilled drinks with a forest, a lake and plenty of conference rooms. The angels, well obviously they're nothing like that, and as for man, we all know what that's like.

Well, there you have it. Hope it's cleared everything up.


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Quehoniaomath
 
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Sat 25 Jul, 2015 09:11 am
Nope, I really want to see some evidence now.



I know it is impossible.
farmerman
 
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Sat 25 Jul, 2015 09:24 am
@Quehoniaomath,
yeh youve been blubbering that for quite a while. If you cant buy the evidence available, maybe its just because youre a moron quahog. Ever think of that?

I know, Im insulting all morons
Quehoniaomath
 
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Sat 25 Jul, 2015 09:34 am
@farmerman,
lol, you don't know a thing. Can't even get some e v i d e n c e


you are a joke, girly.

anyway, girly, your on ignore again. your home. what a joke this one is.


Doesn't have any education at all!
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Krumple
 
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Sat 25 Jul, 2015 02:22 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

yeh youve been blubbering that for quite a while. If you cant buy the evidence available, maybe its just because youre a moron quahog. Ever think of that?

I know, Im insulting all morons


Actually farmerman, are you sure Quehoniaomath even qualifies as a moron? Isn't that being a little too generous?
Quehoniaomath
 
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Sat 25 Jul, 2015 02:32 pm
@Krumple,
again, just a little sweet Ad Hominem.

Mostly used if there are no arguments any more OR no evidence of course.

Really I don't understand why NO EVIDENCE is being shown!
Krumple
 
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Sat 25 Jul, 2015 02:37 pm
@Quehoniaomath,
Quehoniaomath wrote:

again, just a little sweet Ad Hominem.


Where was the ad hom? If I were to say you are a moron. It's not an ad hom. It is a fact. However; if I were to say you are wrong because you are a moron. That would be an ad hom. There is a difference.

Quehoniaomath
 
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Sat 25 Jul, 2015 02:41 pm
@Krumple,
So, you don't even understand the fundamentals of some simple logic?


figures and explains your reactions very precisely!
 

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