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Why do people deny evolution?

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farmerman
 
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Mon 20 Jul, 2015 03:42 pm
@MontereyJack,
only to him. He thinks that everyone else is fucked up or dumb. Thats some serious time out called for.
coldjoint
 
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Mon 20 Jul, 2015 05:07 pm
@farmerman,
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only to him. He thinks that everyone else is fucked up or dumb. Thats some serious time out called for.


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martinies
 
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Mon 20 Jul, 2015 06:23 pm
@farmerman,
Im trying to describe sartori in terms of physics. But its difficult because sartori is outside physics its a state of indistcribable nothing . But it is what consciousness is .its you it didnt evolve to be what it is like ya brain did.
martinies
 
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Mon 20 Jul, 2015 08:07 pm
@martinies,
Awareness which is sartori is stationary to the speed limit c that the awareness is aware of. It is the awareness of the awarness of c that is stationary to c interms of sartori or nirvana. Nirvana does not move because it nirvana is the mover or part of the mover of changing things it is death in evolutionary changes.
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MontereyJack
 
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Mon 20 Jul, 2015 08:30 pm
clearly too many acid trips.
izzythepush
 
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Tue 21 Jul, 2015 01:38 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

clearly too many acid trips.


Or not enough, maybe he just needs one or two more to nail it.
Krumple
 
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Tue 21 Jul, 2015 02:30 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

MontereyJack wrote:

clearly too many acid trips.


Or not enough, maybe he just needs one or two more to nail it.


Na, he's so far in left field he's standing in the parking lot..
martinies
 
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Tue 21 Jul, 2015 02:51 am
@Krumple,
Ok lets simplify it. Awareness its self dosnt move and is therefor limitless. Something is only deemed to be moving because it relates. Awareness in a frame of reference dosnt move.
Krumple
 
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Tue 21 Jul, 2015 03:13 am
@martinies,
martinies wrote:

Ok lets simplify it. Awareness its self dosnt move and is therefor limitless. Something is only deemed to be moving because it relates. Awareness in a frame of reference dosnt move.


Alright I'll grant you that. Awareness doesn't move but consciousness isn't awareness. They are exclusive. If consciousness is infinite then the body would also have to be infinite. Sight would also have to be infinite. But if you are referring to the underline nature that is awareness it is un-moving.

If you were to pluck out your eye, you wouldn't be able to see or collect visual data through that eye any more. However; if you could connect a camera and link it to your optic nerves with a converter you would then be able to see. This has been done and it works. It is because the underline nature or potential of awareness. It's not to be mistaken for consciousness. Once the eye has been removed the consciousness drops away. This is why you stop seeing otherwise sight wouldn't be dependent upon the functioning of the eye.

It would mean you could see without needing eyes. You can't have visual consciousness without the functioning of the eyes. If you claim you can you are not using the eyes but instead something else to see, it wouldn't be visual consciousness.
martinies
 
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Tue 21 Jul, 2015 03:23 am
@Krumple,
Well krump when I say consciousness I mean ON/OFF consciouness but awareness is a better word perhaps. What im saying is that the brain is in an arena of physical existance which inhabits an awareness which does not belong to that same arena of physics as a moving event . The brain is then a link between heaven and earth allowing a limited personal identity in event terms.
Krumple
 
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Tue 21 Jul, 2015 03:39 am
@martinies,
martinies wrote:

Well krump when I say consciousness I mean ON/OFF consciouness but awareness is a better word perhaps.


Consciousness does have an on off but awareness doesn't. They are different. If you could switch off awareness then it would have to be built upon conditions for it's arising. If those conditions were not present then awareness wouldn't be present.

martinies wrote:

What im saying is that the brain is in an arena of physical existance which inhabits an awareness which does not belong to that same arena of physics as a moving event .


How do you distinguish them? I have asked this before but all you end up doing is repeating it as if it's just a fact that should be accepted. It is possible that all of our experiences are nothing more than the creation of our brains.

martinies wrote:

The brain is then a link between heaven and earth allowing a limited personal identity in event terms.


I get the link between the brain and earth, but I don't see how you can claim that there is a link with the brain to heaven. There is NOTHING that suggests there is such a link. If there was there would be a way to verify the existence of heaven. There isn't one. This is just more conjecture on your part.
martinies
 
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Tue 21 Jul, 2015 04:36 am
@Krumple,
Awareness its self is heaven. The brains link to awareness is the link between heaven and earth. Awarness is always stationary to c the speed of light where as the brain its self moves in relativness. Awareness exists independent of the moving brain. In a similar but not exactly similar way to that of a photon existing independant of the source it comes from. So photon independent of source. Awareness independant of brain.
Krumple
 
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Tue 21 Jul, 2015 04:46 am
@martinies,
martinies wrote:

Awareness its self is heaven.


Why say awareness is... heaven. Awareness isn't anything other than awareness. It is neither good nor bad. Calling it heaven is like saying you are not carrying enough baggage, here is some more to carry. You are overloading what is necessary. If awareness is heaven, then what is not heaven?
martinies
 
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Tue 21 Jul, 2015 05:10 am
@Krumple,
Yep thats dead right . Heaven is a label otherwise who would understand it.Awareness is nothing . And nothing is indistinguishably from nothing. The event came from this nothing the you that is the unmoving mover. When you get to heaven which you will cos heaven is you and then thought am I then now in heaven you would then not be in heaven cos thinking isnt heaven. I think before the second death you can still think. Only love can be nothing.
Krumple
 
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Tue 21 Jul, 2015 05:47 am
@martinies,
martinies wrote:

Yep thats dead right . Heaven is a label otherwise who would understand it.Awareness is nothing . And nothing is indistinguishably from nothing. The event came from this nothing the you that is the unmoving mover. When you get to heaven which you will cos heaven is you and then thought am I then now in heaven you would then not be in heaven cos thinking isnt heaven. I think before the second death you can still think. Only love can be nothing.


I would prefer the second death. I think people use this idea of a second death as if it is something bad compared to eternal life. Why make that assumption? I have thought about existing for ever. I wouldn't want to exist for ever. There is no value in existing for ever. Not even if you are spending all that time helping others to arrive at truth. Eventually non-existence is preferable to existence.

Now you could turn this around and say I am also making an assumption that eternal existence would be bad in some way on not always preferable to non-existence. I say how could it not be? It is all just assumptions and conjecture to begin with. Even if it was ONLY good, I still wouldn't want to exist for eternity.


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martinies
 
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Tue 21 Jul, 2015 06:17 am
@martinies,
No everbody dies twice the body dies and then the mind but the you still exists.Love stays where it always was unmoving as one nothing.
martinies
 
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Tue 21 Jul, 2015 06:54 am
@martinies,
Anyway krump nature takes its course we were all given the information to have eternal life just as jesus said all that heeded his words would get to keep there life. Jesus christ love without attachment. The unmoving mover jesus amen. Ps and buhdda.
farmerman
 
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Tue 21 Jul, 2015 09:04 am
@martinies,
Today, July 21 1925, John SCopes was convicted in the "Dayton Tennessee Monkey Trial"
Weve come a long way but apparently not far enough .
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Krumple
 
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Tue 21 Jul, 2015 09:27 am
@martinies,
martinies wrote:

Anyway krump nature takes its course we were all given the information to have eternal life just as jesus said all that heeded his words would get to keep there life. Jesus christ love without attachment. The unmoving mover jesus amen. Ps and buhdda.


Well he can keep his eternal life, I don't want it.
martinies
 
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Tue 21 Jul, 2015 01:34 pm
@Krumple,
Sorry krump old chap but its unavoidable. So you may as well enjoy it other wise it could be hell. Seriously though if you dont like it you get to be reincarnated back in to a good old moving frame of reference with boring old c the speed of light as its constant again.
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