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Why do people deny evolution?

 
 
FBM
 
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Thu 11 Dec, 2014 10:41 pm
Quote:
Stop Celebrating the Pope's Views on Evolution and the Big Bang. They Make No Sense.
By Jerry A. Coyne Photo: Franco Origlia/Getty Images

A famous anecdote from 19th century New England involves Margaret Fuller, an early feminist and ardent exponent of the spiritual movement of transcendentalism. Besotted by her emotions, she once blurted out, “I accept the universe!” When he heard of this, the Scottish philosopher Thomas Carlyle remarked dryly, “Gad—she’d better.”

While the story may be apocryphal, if you replace Fuller with Pope Francis and “the universe” with “evolution,” then Carlyle’s feelings are identical to mine. For, according to many media outlets (for example, here, here, and here), Pope Francis has just declared that he accepts the fact of evolution.

Gad, he’d better. Evolution has been an accepted scientific fact since about 1870, roughly a decade after the theory was proposed by Darwin in 1859. And there are mountains of evidence supporting it, as documented in my book Why Evolution is True, and no evidence for the religious alternative of divine creation. As Pope Francis tries to nudge his Church into modernity, it wouldn’t look good if he espoused creationism.

But if you parse Francis’s words yesterday, spoken as he unveiled a bust of his predecessor Benedict XVI, you’ll find that tinges of creationism remain. In fact, the Vatican’s official stance on evolution is explicitly unscientific: a combination of modern evolutionary theory and Biblical special creationism. The Church hasn’t yet entered the world of modern science.
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The Catholic Church is in a tough spot, straddling an equipoise between modern science and antiscientific medieval theology. When it jettisons the idea of the soul, of God’s intervention in the Big Bang and human evolution, and the notion of Adam and Eve as our historical ancestors, then Catholicism will be compatible with evolution. But then it would not be Catholicism.


http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120025/pope-francis-quotes-evolution-big-bang-are-nothing-celebrate
DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Thu 11 Dec, 2014 11:02 pm
@FBM,
Has the Pope always been your religious hero?
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izzythepush
 
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Fri 12 Dec, 2014 02:25 am
@DNA Thumbs drive,
FM needs to use an extra large keyboard because of problems with his hands. As a result he makes a lot of typos, but don't let that bother you, you've clearly lost the argument, so just insult someone because of a medical condition.

After that maybe you'd like to insult someone's mother.
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farmerman
 
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Fri 12 Dec, 2014 02:54 am
@DNA Thumbs drive,
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Ah, can you please name the University, that does not require it's professors, to be able to spell?
My typos are the result of a crippled hand that acts more like a hammer than a useable appendage on the keyboard. Its pf little consequence to me what you feel since you've apparently not been on any review chains of professional papaers by colleagues. We often post humorous editorial response that we send back and forth to each other nd the authors. Ive got a colleague out at a major est Cost "IVY" who cant spell for **** and hes always getting wrong words into his stuff.
Spelling and "style" is defined by manuals in the sciences (I use AGI AGU and USGS stylistic manuals)
We have "rules of riting" of which, our admin assistants and editors are all well trained . My cursive writing is also a tragedy but its been pretty much growth process of years of taking copious field notes.

Id suggest that you stop engaging in cowardly retort by playing to my inconvenience. I know you cn understand what Ive written despite my days of bad typos. (Typos, when corrected by "spell chex" often create worse errors in introducing the precise word I need).

Also, my tablet has a stuck "A" key and I need to hve it fixed. Ive cleaned it several times but the damn thing get worse.

AS far as spelling by my colleagues, We all get good laughs from word usage and typos and silly phrases.

A recent one was
"Estuarine sediments were kept at bay". Pretty lame humor I know.

Some days my spelling is horrendous I know. Those days are when I hve to inject myelf with a muscle relaxant so I don't spasm in my left arm. I try not to use the relaxant too much (no more thn once every 2 weeks and less if I don't need to type much). Ive been using Dragon here but since I often use techy ords, Ive found Dragon to be really lame at speech recognition of tech words, but If I train the crap out of it, it does a fair job. I find that Dragon gives me the same quality of word recognition as whatever programs they use for " Follow-on Captioning" on cable TV. So, mostly Ill stick to the hand typing already knowing Im going to hve a passel of errors. I try to catch em .(Yesterday you called me out for a bad line of typos that I hd a;lready changed before you called me out-You were probably busy typing your critique while I was already fixing the line) SO Im not UNAWARE of the mistakes I make. However, most people on the line have sorta gone along and allowed me to produce my crappy style . Once in a while someone will call me names like "LaZy" for not correcting my errors. I try to get my respones typed out as fast as my mind spits em to me. But, if it pies someone off, I may just type with full-frontal spasms.

If you make my writing skill the only point of your debate with me, then I shall probably just ignore you and I don't wanna do that, youre not Quahog , you have been trying to present your worlview that includes unique perspective to science. I don't agree with most of them but you defend them well.
Ive gotta get back to bed, Ive been doing midnite predator inspections of my pastures and fields, and Ive been up since like 1AM (EST)
DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Fri 12 Dec, 2014 05:29 am
@farmerman,
You told us that you taught for 8 years at a University. All I ask is what University were you a professor at? Is this question too hard? You forgot to include the answer?

izzythepush
 
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Fri 12 Dec, 2014 05:33 am
@DNA Thumbs drive,
Anonymity is quite important on A2K with such loathsome posters as Oralboy, Coljoint, CIUJohn and others. If FM, divulged the University he worked at, it could help identify him, and as such he should keep schtum.

I see no reason to doubt FM, and neither do other posters who actually know a bit about science. The only person who has doubts is you, and you're a holy roller in love with dogma.
Quehoniaomath
 
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Fri 12 Dec, 2014 05:36 am
@DNA Thumbs drive,
Quote:
You told us that you taught for 8 years at a University. All I ask is what University were you a professor at? Is this question too hard? You forgot to include the answer?


I really believe she did that! It explains the ENORMOUS resistance she has
to non-evolution arguments . It is diffcult even to oneself, to admit that one has been lying for years to students (and oneself!) . It is a hard thing.
You have to be enormous honest and integer to be able to admit that.
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DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Fri 12 Dec, 2014 05:39 am
@izzythepush,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S89IskZI740 David Berlinski

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6Ce-9dg960 Stephen Meyer

If you say so, but not all agree with this........
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Wilso
 
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Fri 12 Dec, 2014 05:44 am
I'm going to ask again. Please - stop engaging these trolls. They have NOTHING to offer this forum, and once ignored, will slither away somewhere else for attention.
Quehoniaomath
 
  0  
Fri 12 Dec, 2014 05:47 am
@Wilso,
Quote:
I'm going to ask again. Please - stop engaging these trolls. They have NOTHING to offer this forum, and once ignored, will slither away somewhere else for attention.


Wow! Anyone who dsiagrees with evolution bull shite is a troll??????
Trying Ad Hominems again????


Man o man, how about, good arguments, good logic, good reason, and hmmmm let's see, ahum eh...........evidence ????





DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Fri 12 Dec, 2014 05:55 am
@Quehoniaomath,
They are particularly afraid that God will clone a mammoth, and are even arguing that this is not the situation, as though it has already happened. Which is irrational.
Wilso
 
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Fri 12 Dec, 2014 05:59 am
PS. Multiple accounts aren't fooling anyone.
DNA Thumbs drive
 
  0  
Fri 12 Dec, 2014 06:01 am
@Wilso,
Who has multiple accounts here? is this just a distraction away from the topic at hand?

Seems so.
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FBM
 
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Fri 12 Dec, 2014 06:05 am
@Wilso,
Wilso wrote:

I'm going to ask again. Please - stop engaging these trolls. They have NOTHING to offer this forum, and once ignored, will slither away somewhere else for attention.


Sage advice. I started doing so days ago.
Wilso
 
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Fri 12 Dec, 2014 07:14 am
@FBM,
FBM wrote:



Sage advice.


Admittedly rare, but there are occasional moments.
FBM
 
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Fri 12 Dec, 2014 07:18 am
@Wilso,
Wilso wrote:

FBM wrote:



Sage advice.


Admittedly rare, but there are occasional moments.


Careful not to peak too early. Keep the audience wanting more, they say.
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Quehoniaomath
 
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Fri 12 Dec, 2014 08:22 am
@FBM,
Quote:
Sage advice. I started doing so days ago.


So, you are admitting that you are a bit of a coward then, eh?



Figures! no argument, no evidence...NOTHING.
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Quehoniaomath
 
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Fri 12 Dec, 2014 08:23 am
@DNA Thumbs drive,
Quote:
They are particularly afraid that God will clone a mammoth, and are even arguing that this is not the situation, as though it has already happened. Which is irrational.


let's face it! what do expext from irrational people? Wink
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farmerman
 
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Fri 12 Dec, 2014 09:09 am
@izzythepush,
I note that Thumbsy has not entered anything ina profile, and he feels entitled ?

Anyway, my comments were originally to Quahog who made the comment that"Statistics proves that evolution is impossible"
Notice he just slipped away after that statement.

Statistics proves that bumblebees cant fly also.
izzythepush
 
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Fri 12 Dec, 2014 09:23 am
@farmerman,
They do make good pipecleaners though.
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