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Why do people deny evolution?

 
 
Builder
 
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Thu 6 Nov, 2014 04:17 am
@Quehoniaomath,
Peer-reviewed science is always up for debate.

Having imaginary friends that live in the sky? Not so much.
Quehoniaomath
 
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Thu 6 Nov, 2014 04:30 am
@Builder,
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Peer-reviewed science is always up for debate.

Having imaginary friends that live in the sky? Not so much.


Where am I talking about "imaginary friends that live in the sky"?????
please show me.

The peer review process? You must be kidding! Do you really think that is flawless? It is far from it, mostly it used to censor information.

put the gatekeepers at that post and voila!

Thinking that it helps progress in science is very very naieve!

But I think, evidence will help progress science! Really, no kidding. Wink

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FBM
 
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Thu 6 Nov, 2014 04:57 am
@Builder,
Builder wrote:

Peer-reviewed science is always up for debate.

Having imaginary friends that live in the sky? Not so much.


Religion-building depends primarily on manufacturing consensus inside a human echo chamber.
Quehoniaomath
 
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Thu 6 Nov, 2014 05:06 am
@FBM,

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Religion-building depends primarily on manufacturing consensus inside a human echo chamber.


I in no way am talking about religion, or show me where I do that.

Evolution looks more like a religion with it's many assumptions and dogma's.

You can't build on something so flawed.
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adriagirl
 
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Thu 6 Nov, 2014 05:44 am
@JimmyJ,
the age spending by people is very small,so during this short period they can not observe the evolution ,this can be the reason of denying.
Quehoniaomath
 
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Thu 6 Nov, 2014 07:48 am
@adriagirl,
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the age spending by people is very small,so during this short period they can not observe the evolution ,this can be the reason of denying.


Another reason of denying, and a very sound one I might add, is for complete lack of evidence.

evolutionists live in a kind of delerium and see evidence whereever they go,
even where there really is none, because they are pre-programmed by an enormous belief in the evolution shite.
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parados
 
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Thu 6 Nov, 2014 08:30 am
@Quehoniaomath,
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And, as we know, concepts, never become facts! NEVER.

You mean Vedic Math will never be fact?
Quehoniaomath
 
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Thu 6 Nov, 2014 08:43 am
@parados,
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You mean Vedic Math will never be fact?


lol, a number is of course never a fact!!
You even don't understand what a fact, a number or a concept is.
Unbelievable so much stupidity in one girl. unbelievable.


but please, please, please try to stay on topic. Difficult eh?
farmerman
 
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Thu 6 Nov, 2014 08:47 am
@parados,
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And, as we know, concepts, never become facts! NEVER.
where did you come up with this?

lets see

OHM's LAW
Atomic Theory
Isotopic decay constant
Higg's Boson
heritability and genes
Jacquard's computer'
hydrothermal deposition of metals
D'Arcy's Law
Le Chateliers Principle
Redox
Henry's Law

Ohhh we could go on all day.
Youre smarter than that parados.
farmerman
 
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Thu 6 Nov, 2014 08:48 am
@farmerman,
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Sorry, I see you were quoting the clam
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parados
 
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Thu 6 Nov, 2014 08:52 am
@Quehoniaomath,
So pi is not a fact as far as you are concerned?

No wonder you have so many problems with circles in your logic.
Quehoniaomath
 
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Thu 6 Nov, 2014 08:54 am
@parados,
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So pi is not a fact as far as you are concerned?

No wonder you have so many problems with circles in your logic.


funny to see how you try to sidetrack the issue, lack of evidence. red-herring anyone? lol, the sheer stupidity of this girl or kid.

impossible to adress for you, eh?
parados
 
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Thu 6 Nov, 2014 09:02 am
@Quehoniaomath,

The concept that evolution doesn't happen will never be a fact.

Wasn't that fun Q?

Now can we discuss the number that is pi before you start running in circles again?
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Herald
 
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Thu 6 Nov, 2014 02:33 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
How is it possible to be so stupid?
     It appeared for the first time when I started communicating with people like you.
cicerone imposter wrote:
A dictionary defines the meaning of words.
      ... and the formal models use their own definitions in order to avoid any misconceptions, misunderstanding, and misrepresentations. The dictionaries deal with the general case, and the formal theories deal with the special case. Thus for example in the dictionary light is defined as: the natural agent that stimulates the sense of sight; and in physics light may be defined as: electromagnetic radiation that is visible to the human eye, and is responsible for the sense of sight. Visible light is usually defined as having a wavelength in the range of 400 nm to 700 nm.
Obviously the definition 'in the dictionary' is not sufficient for the purposes of the studies in physics. The same is with evolution.
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1. The universal genetic code. All cells on Earth, from our white blood cells, to simple bacteria, to cells in the leaves of trees, are capable of reading any piece of DNA from any life form on Earth. This is very strong evidence for a common ancestor from which all life descended.
... and it might be also evidence for the circumstance that the intelligent designer is one and the same of the whole biosphere, or that the processes of creating life and variety of life are one and the same ... which is not necessary to be evolution based on 'positive mutations'. BTW how are these 'positive mutations' happening in one and the same way - aren't the mutations a random process ... and if so, where is the stochastic distribution of that process as an evidence (I am not going to comment whether it is strong or weak).
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2. The fossil record. The fossil record shows that the simplest fossils will be found in the oldest rocks, and it can also show a smooth and gradual transition from one form of life to another.
... it may show smooth and gradual transition, but it does not show 'from one form of life into another' ... let alone 'as a result of positive mutations'.
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3. Genetic commonalities. Human beings have approximately 96% of genes in common with chimpanzees
... and how much is 4% difference over 3 billion ... and how did it happen so that all that 120 mln changes are all simultaneously possible as a 'positive mutation' & all of them are dominant (in order to be manifested in the future generations) ... & all of them are hereditary?
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4. Common traits in embryos. Humans, dogs, snakes, fish, monkeys, eels (and many more life forms) are all considered "chordates" because we belong to the phylum Chordata. One of the features of this phylum is that, as embryos, all these life forms have gill slits, tails, and specific anatomical structures involving the spine. For humans (and other non-fish) the gill slits reform into the bones of the ear and jaw at a later stage in development.
     If you don't know the very process of appearance, development and diversity of life, how did you come to know that the phases of the embryo are exactly history record and not necessary steps to build a given bio-functionality, for example?
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These common characteristics could only be possible if all members of the phylum Chordata descended from a common ancestor.
... This is not true in the general case. The birds and the airplanes have common features, but this does not necessarily mean that they have common ancestor ... for one of them might have an intelligent designer that has copied the 'stochastic design' of the other one. A single negative example is enough to prove that some statement is not universally valid ... as it is presented.
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5. Bacterial resistance to antibiotics. Bacteria colonies can only build up a resistance to antibiotics through evolution. It is important to note that in every colony of bacteria, there are a tiny few individuals which are naturally resistant to certain antibiotics. This is because of the random nature of mutations.
This example is absolutely invalid ... as an example, because at first the antibiotics are product of ID and violate the assumptions of the evolution theory, and could not be interpreted as stochastic processes in any case scenario, and second one doesn't know whether the bacteria acquire resistance to antibiotics due to 'evolution' based on 'positive mutations' or due to evolution based on some other complex processes that have nothing to do with any evolution. Just don't tell that you understand anything of bacteria ... and viruses, for if you were at that level you would have been able to print out a bio-polimer of a vaccine against any newly-emerged virus in not more than an hour. The understanding of the processes and their modeling and testing are very different from phenomenological trial & error 'blind tests'. The very fact that you have found some exfoliant by trial and error does not necessarily mean the you understand the biology of the cell to the 18th digit after the decimal point.
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When an antibiotic is applied, the initial innoculation will kill most bacteria, leaving behind only those few cells which happen to have the mutations necessary to resist the antibiotics.
I don't know about the mutations, but when some wide-spectrum antibiotic is applied, it sends the equilibrium of the bacteria and the yeasts in the intestine in the dimension X, and hence the whole body metabolism is teleported into the 11th dimension of the hyperspace.
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In subsequent generations, the resistant bacteria reproduce, forming a new colony, where every member is resistant to the antibiotic. This is natural selection in action.
     This 'natural selection in action' does not explain why the Crocodiles have not become birds in the past 250 million years ... and have achieved only elementary hybridization of the species.
farmerman
 
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Thu 6 Nov, 2014 03:25 pm
@Herald,
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... and it might be also evidence for the circumstance that the intelligent designer is one and the same of the whole biosphere, or that the processes of creating life and variety of life are one and the same ... which is not necessary to be evolution based on 'positive mutations'. BTW how are these 'positive mutations' happening in one and the same way - aren't the mutations a random process ... and if so, where is the stochastic distribution of that process as an evidence


Theres a couple points up above that need some explanation so I can better understand your logic

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and it might be also evidence for the circumstance that the intelligent designer is one and the same of the whole biosphere, or that the processes of creating life and variety of life are one and the same ...
How do you arrive at this conclusion?


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BTW how are these 'positive mutations' happening in one and the same way - aren't the mutations a random process .
So mutation may be rndom, how do mutations have any effect upon the processes pf natural selection?? They are two different concepts.

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"The fossil record"-
it may show smooth and gradual transition, but it does not show 'from one form of life into another' ...
That's pretty all knowing of you. Upon what do you base your "knowledge" on?

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and how much is 4% difference over 3 billion ... and how did it happen so that all that 120 mln changes are all simultaneously possible as a 'positive mutation' & all of them are dominant
whether its 4% or 2%, do you really believe tht these genetic differences happen all at once?? If you do, I ort of understand why you seem to want to discount the fossil record. You seem to have bcked yourself into a bit of a corner on that. You say the fossil record displays gradual and smooth changes but yet you seem to question HOW the human genome MUST display these genomic differences simultaneously. (See, perhaps that's why the fossil record displays smooth gradual changes?)BTW, I agree with the choice of words.

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If you don't know the very process of appearance, development and diversity of life, how did you come to know that the phases of the embryo are exactly history record and not necessary steps to build a given bio-functionality, for example?

You seem to want to ask questions as if they haven't already been answered in the scientific literature. (I realize that a while ago you said that you don't read anything I have to say or recommend)> HOWEVER, if youd read the literature in genomics youd see that e can , by turning specific genes OFF or ON, we can change the developmental structures of embryos of various organisms. e can, for example, create a chicken with fingers and teeth and a long tail . (SORTA LIKE A DROMEAOSAUR).. CI was poting what he knew from such reading. By acting like a wise fool, you really come off like a hillwilliam of science
cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 6 Nov, 2014 03:28 pm
@farmerman,
All while they have NEVER proven any "intelligent designer."

They create this intelligent designer, then claim he's the creator of everything - all without proving this creator exists.

Logic is not their strong suit. LOL

Jump from 'nothing' to this great creator in the sky. Imagination is wonderful; it doesn't require facts or evidence.
Wilso
 
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Thu 6 Nov, 2014 05:15 pm
Insects evolved flight as plants grew taller.
http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2014/11/07/4121879.htm

There's barely any space left for the nails in the coffin of creationism.
rosborne979
 
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Thu 6 Nov, 2014 05:19 pm
@Wilso,
Nice article. Thx.
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One Eyed Mind
 
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Thu 6 Nov, 2014 05:27 pm
@cicerone imposter,
The Universe is a form of intelligence that bestows upon itself with an utmost astute mathematical design that never ceases to amaze anyone who gets the privilege to surf through the higher sections of arithmetic fields in scientific studies.

No, it's not a being - it's more so becoming.

Its naivety is mirrored through our naivety and bacteria's naivety.

Despite our mathematical design - we're still naive and prone to stupidity.

It's best to see the Universe as something more like the physical appearance of our own human experience within this physical vessel and this physical realm. Think of it like this Universe was born into darkness, over time it started taking form and finally more time went by which resulted in light and creation.

Look at ourselves when we're born. We are born into darkness. Over time we start forming thoughts and ideas. Then more time goes by and we become enlightened.

It's the same thing. Aside from the superstitious and religious nonsense, there's a lot of truth behind the garbage like "this Universe made us in its image", which has already been proven by Scientists today.
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farmerman
 
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Thu 6 Nov, 2014 07:11 pm
@Wilso,
Id seen those "earliest" insect transition fossils , and they take some really carefuel study to see the transitional forms from the eurypterid like ancestors. Lotsa work still needs be done on this one. the transition of naked seed plants to angiosperms has been pretty well documented as the erliest "transitional" flowering conifers hd been

found during the Jurassic.
 

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