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Why do people deny evolution?

 
 
farmerman
 
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Sun 22 Dec, 2013 08:06 am
@Ticomaya,
duhhh, ok ok. Jimmy will be able to read gunga but , never mind.
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JimmyJ
 
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Sun 22 Dec, 2013 10:34 am
@spendius,
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I am a little smarter than that James. I don't need you to have mentioned those things to know that they are the basis of your position.


What a bunch of rubbish.
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JimmyJ
 
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Sun 22 Dec, 2013 10:35 am
@gungasnake,
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It's fascinating that most evolosers can't come up with better arguments than that sort of stupid ad-hominem...


Typical creationist...
Insult and then don't rebut to my post.

It almost makes me sick that people like you exist.
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JimmyJ
 
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Sun 22 Dec, 2013 10:37 am
@spendius,
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What exactly is the "concept of science or the scientific community"?

And you might miss out the PR because we know all that backwards.


Science: knowledge about or study of the natural world based on facts learned through experiments and observation

Concept: A general notion

Scientific community: a diverse network of interacting scientists.

Let me know if you need anything else <3
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JimmyJ
 
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Sun 22 Dec, 2013 10:38 am
@Frank Apisa,
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But if you assert "Evolution is not the reason for where we are now"...you most assuredly would bear a burden of proof.


You are wrong. I guess that's why you aren't a scientist.
Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 22 Dec, 2013 10:51 am
@JimmyJ,
JimmyJ wrote:

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But if you assert "Evolution is not the reason for where we are now"...you most assuredly would bear a burden of proof.


You are wrong. I guess that's why you aren't a scientist.


I am not a scientist...and I am not wrong in what I said.
rosborne979
 
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Sun 22 Dec, 2013 10:59 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
Its so silly that I fully xpect him to come along one day and tell us that hes really a geneticist who teaches at Wisconsin and hes just been dickin with us by presenting the most ludicrous of "data"

That would be great! Smile But I have my doubts that anyone could pull off such a charade so consistently (it's been years) without secretly embracing it. As such, I'm sorry to say that I doubt the "great joke" you are half expecting is really happening.
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JimmyJ
 
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Sun 22 Dec, 2013 11:20 am
@Frank Apisa,
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I am not a scientist...and I am not wrong in what I said.


Find me a scientific journal attempting to disprove the existence of god.

So yes, you are wrong. In science we don't try to "disprove" things that already have no evidence in support of them. Science ignores god completely just as it ignores the toothfairy, santa claus, and others.
neologist
 
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Sun 22 Dec, 2013 11:35 am
@JimmyJ,
I wrote:
I can't see how it supports speciation.
JimmyJ wrote:

Elaborate
Explain the evolution of the blowhole with a straight face.
Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 22 Dec, 2013 11:38 am
@JimmyJ,
JimmyJ wrote:

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I am not a scientist...and I am not wrong in what I said.


Find me a scientific journal attempting to disprove the existence of god.


And why would I do that?

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So yes, you are wrong.


No I am not...and nothing of that sort follows logically from your first statement.

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In science we don't try to "disprove" things that already have no evidence in support of them. Science ignores god completely just as it ignores the toothfairy, santa claus, and others.


If you make an assertion...the burden of proof falls on you.

JimmyJ
 
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Sun 22 Dec, 2013 11:43 am
@neologist,
http://www.pandasthumb.org/archives/2008/03/whale-evolution.html


Simple google search...

Are you lazy or unwilling?
JimmyJ
 
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Sun 22 Dec, 2013 11:44 am
@Frank Apisa,
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And why would I do that?


Because you just said that burden of proof falls on someone whom says evolution does not happen, which is not the case.

You are very ignorant for someone of your seasoned years.
Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 22 Dec, 2013 11:50 am
@JimmyJ,
JimmyJ wrote:

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And why would I do that?


Because you just said that burden of proof falls on someone whom says evolution does not happen, which is not the case.


I should find you "a scientific journal attempting to disprove the existence of god" because the burden of proof falls on someone who says evolution does not happen???

Who is saying that?

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You are very ignorant for someone of your seasoned years.


Not at all. I am reasonably intelligent...although not as intelligent as some participating here.
JimmyJ
 
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Sun 22 Dec, 2013 11:51 am
@Frank Apisa,
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I should find you "a scientific journal attempting to disprove the existence of god" because the burden of proof falls on someone who says evolution does not happen???

Who is saying that?


You (foolishly) told Neo that burden of proof would fall on him to disprove evolution if he said "evolution doesn't exist" in an argument. I'm telling you no it would not. The burden of proof would fall upon me (and others here) to prove to him that it DOES happen, which we have provided evidence of.

Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 22 Dec, 2013 11:58 am
@JimmyJ,
JimmyJ wrote:

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I should find you "a scientific journal attempting to disprove the existence of god" because the burden of proof falls on someone who says evolution does not happen???

Who is saying that?


You (foolishly) told Neo that burden of proof would fall on him to disprove evolution if he said "evolution doesn't exist" in an argument.


I don't think that was exactly what happened...but I will say this: If Neo asserted that evolution doesn't exist...the burden of proof of that statement WOULD fall on him.

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I'm telling you no it would not.


I know you are. You simply do not understand how debate works. That's because you are trying to swim in the deep end...and you belong in the wading pool.


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The burden of proof would fall upon me (and others here) to prove to him that it DOES happen, which we have provided evidence of.


If he makes an assertion...the burden of proof for the assertion falls on him...and on no one else. If you, or anyone else, wants to show him he is wrong...you can do so. But the onus for the proof falls on him.
farmerman
 
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Sun 22 Dec, 2013 12:17 pm
@neologist,
The evolution of the "blowhole" in cetaceans is one of the easier things to follow in paleo and ontogeny. The embryo of cetaceans has a "nostril" just like anyother mammal at a few eeks into development. As the embryo develops this "proto blowhole" actually migrates to the frontal apex an the snout elongates with the typical split upper jaw.
The fossil record shows the early protocetacens in the sedimentary rocks of the Paleocene developing into amphibious beings.
Think of the eyes an nostrils of the Polar Bear and we can see how, in about 20000 years clear migration of the breathing and visual apparatus has migrated topside and the ears are shrinking
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JimmyJ
 
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Sun 22 Dec, 2013 12:21 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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I don't think that was exactly what happened...but I will say this: If Neo asserted that evolution doesn't exist...the burden of proof of that statement WOULD fall on him.


No, it does not.

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If he makes an assertion...the burden of proof for the assertion falls on him...and on no one else. If you, or anyone else, wants to show him he is wrong...you can do so. But the onus for the proof falls on him.


You are incorrect. You clearly don't know what you're talking about (you've stated before you don't know much about science and are not a scientist).
Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 22 Dec, 2013 12:42 pm
@JimmyJ,
JimmyJ wrote:

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I don't think that was exactly what happened...but I will say this: If Neo asserted that evolution doesn't exist...the burden of proof of that statement WOULD fall on him.


No, it does not.


Yeah...it really does.

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If he makes an assertion...the burden of proof for the assertion falls on him...and on no one else. If you, or anyone else, wants to show him he is wrong...you can do so. But the onus for the proof falls on him.


You are incorrect. You clearly don't know what you're talking about (you've stated before you don't know much about science and are not a scientist).


I do not have to know anything about science to tell you that in debate, the burden of proof for any assertion falls on the person making the assertion.

Ask someone grown-up, Jimmy. They'll tell you.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Sun 22 Dec, 2013 01:06 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Sorry Frank but Jimmy is right.

Take science out of it, and use your "law of debates." The thread started with what has to be considered an assertion that evolution is a fact, and therefore it is his assertion to prove.

Let's say you start a thread with an assertion that all conservatives are a plague upon the earth and I then assert you are not only wrong but full of crap. Am I, by your "Law of Debate" required to prove both assertions?
Frank Apisa
 
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Sun 22 Dec, 2013 01:43 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Sorry Frank but Jimmy is right.

Take science out of it, and use your "law of debates." The thread started with what has to be considered an assertion that evolution is a fact, and therefore it is his assertion to prove.

Let's say you start a thread with an assertion that all conservatives are a plague upon the earth and I then assert you are not only wrong but full of crap. Am I, by your "Law of Debate" required to prove both assertions?



Sorry, Finn, but you are incorrect.

ANYONE who make an assertion in a debate...bears the burden of proof for the assertion.

You burden is only for your assertion.

If I assert that American conservatives are a plague on the earth...then I bear the burden of proof for that.

If you assert that I am full of crap...you bear the burden for proof of that.

Mostly, I do not make assertions. I almost always qualify my comments with, "It is my opinion that..."
 

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