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I wish I "wouldn't have" to.....

 
 
Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2013 12:31 am
Sometimes, I wish I wouldn't have to wear glasses or contact lenses.
Is this grammatically correct?
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contrex
 
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Reply Fri 15 Nov, 2013 10:19 am
@three3nity,
No. It is US colloquial. Replace "wouldn't" with "didn't" for standard English.
McTag
 
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Reply Sat 16 Nov, 2013 03:42 am
@contrex,

Yes. And lose the comma.
Roberta
 
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Reply Sat 16 Nov, 2013 04:08 am
@contrex,
contrex wrote:

No. It is US colloquial. Replace "wouldn't" with "didn't" for standard English.


Not where I come from. I say "didn't. Never heard "wouldn't" used this way that I can recall.
contrex
 
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Reply Sat 16 Nov, 2013 05:59 am
@Roberta,
Roberta wrote:
Not where I come from. I say "didn't. Never heard "wouldn't" used this way that I can recall.


I don't say it is widespread or universal across the US. You often see would/wouldn't used in a non standard way in informal US usage - e.g. "If I would have (had) remembered to put out the garbage"
Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 16 Nov, 2013 06:02 am
@contrex,
You don't know anything about American usages, obviously. Jesus . . . "If i would had remembered ? ! ? ! ?" Come on, you're just making this sh*t up as you go along.
contrex
 
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Reply Sat 16 Nov, 2013 07:02 am
@Setanta,
I think Setanta failed to understand my use of parentheses. To clarify, I shall put it another way.

Informal: "If I would have remembered to put out the garbage"

Standard: "If I had remembered to put out the garbage"

Much has been written on this issue. A few links out of many:

http://www.elearnenglishlanguage.com/difficulties/ifiwouldhave.html

http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=1214149

http://www.englishforums.com/English/WouldHaveHadHave/ndgv/post.htm

http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/62482/if-i-would-have-lost-you-vs-if-i-had-lost-you

http://literalminded.wordpress.com/2010/10/04/is-if-i-would-havei-ever-standard-grammar/

http://public.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/wouldhave.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAU9zaKOpgk

http://www.getresponse.com/archive/grammarbook/If-I-Would-Have-vs-If-I-Had-9293667.html


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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 16 Nov, 2013 02:10 pm
@three3nity,
Quote:
Sometimes, I wish I wouldn't have to wear glasses or contact lenses.
Is this grammatically correct?


Yes, it is grammatically correct.
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Jack of Hearts
 
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Reply Sat 16 Nov, 2013 02:42 pm
@three3nity,
Would not the word, "nor", be used to reflect the continuing negativity?
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tsarstepan
 
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Reply Sat 16 Nov, 2013 02:46 pm
@Roberta,
Roberta wrote:

contrex wrote:

No. It is US colloquial. Replace "wouldn't" with "didn't" for standard English.


Not where I come from. I say "didn't. Never heard "wouldn't" used this way that I can recall.

Seconding this.
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contrex
 
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Reply Sat 16 Nov, 2013 03:14 pm
One example forum post (that I linked to above, but maybe people don't want to click links...)

Hi world! Reformed grammar stickler and TESL teacher here.
My question is about one particular feature of spoken American English.
For want of a better word allow me to use the term "written form" (in place of some other words such as "standard" etc) to describe how I would write (say and teach) this sentence and "AE colloq" to refer to the other form often heard.
In a sentence explaining the likely results from a hypothetical situation in the past. (Yes grammarians, its called Conditional III/3rd Conditional)

WF: If I had known you were coming I would have made a bigger cake.
AE colloq: If I would have known you were coming I would have made a bigger cake.

I notice this almost exclusively in unscripted TV like folks on talk shows so I had written off this style in my mind to a slip of the tongue or well, er a gap in Education. But this morning I heard someone working on a Nasa mission (where I assume you need a Masters degree just to make the coffee) use the form. However at the same time I can't recall seeing it on scripted TV. So that makes me wonder whether it is still considered er "grammatically-challenged" to write it?

JTT
 
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Reply Sat 16 Nov, 2013 10:04 pm
@contrex,
If you would be so kind as to use your brain and think, you'd possibly become a more qualified individual in teaching English.

Google Exact Phrase Search
"if only he would have"
About 14,100,000 results (0.21 seconds)
McTag
 
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Reply Sun 17 Nov, 2013 03:00 am
@JTT,

Another illogical nonsequitur from the pen of JTT, who revels in being as viscious and bad-mannered as he is supercilious.

His teachers would be proud of the final product of all his professed learning. Not.
contrex
 
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Reply Sun 17 Nov, 2013 03:21 am
@McTag,
McTag wrote:
JTT, who revels in being as viscious and bad-mannered as he is supercilious.


Viscious... a lovely word. An apt blend of viscous - oozing and thick like phlegm or the faeces of a constipated sow, and vicious. Out of typos comes forth wisdom!
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 17 Nov, 2013 10:54 am
@McTag,
Neither you or Contrex seem to be able to muster anything in the way of addressing the language issue. Oh so typical.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 17 Nov, 2013 01:10 pm
@contrex,
Absolutely no inclination to use your brain eh, Contrex? I guess you figure why change now.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 17 Nov, 2013 08:39 pm
@contrex,
Quote:
No.


Explain how it isn't grammatical, Contrex.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 17 Nov, 2013 08:41 pm
@McTag,
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And lose the comma.


Perfectly legitimate comma, McTag.
McTag
 
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Reply Mon 18 Nov, 2013 07:21 am
@JTT,

It's not wrong, but better without, I think.
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 18 Nov, 2013 09:11 am
@McTag,
Quote:
It's not wrong, but better without, I think.


That's not what you said. This,

"And lose the comma."

is what you said. How can anyone trust your judgment when you make such obvious errors?

Quote:
Explain how it isn't grammatical, Contrex.


The likelihood of Contrex showing up to address this or any language issue is about the same as a snowball's chance in hell. Maybe you'd like to pick up the slack for the English "teacher".
 

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