morality, drugs, existence

I am sure that sounded very profound to you, CM.

No no, I believe you, even though you don't exist...

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I am sure that sounded very profound to you, CM.

profundity is dual and only exists in comparison to stupidity

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No no, I believe you, even though you don't exist...

existence is another word. belief in it is what gives it apparent reality. you say you believe me sarcastically, but actually, you involuntarily believe what your intellect tells you about all my words being invalid because i contradict myself by having opinions, even though claiming non-existence. the same as frank really, just absolute fear to actually investigate what i am saying, instead of hanging back and claiming that 'nope, it is not valid because you are claiming that you don't exist.'

to explain my stance on existence further:
most people would say that they exist individually, and also an external universe exists. they experience the two things separately, their own physical body, and the external physical universe.

this is because their consciousness is functioning individually, identifying itself as a limited single creature. this state of consciousness has allowed the huge technological leaps of humanity, due to the motivation to be a better individual than other individuals, which causes competition and amazing results in technology. it also causes war, violence etc.

individual consciousness usually only ends at death, when there is no physical body anymore to be conscious of. but with experience which is extreme enough - positive or negative - individual consciousness ends by itself simply as a result of intelligence. it backtracks and lands in universal intelligence. the same atoms that make up your body are the same atoms that have existed since the beginning of the universe. they 'remember' themselves as such, and no longer identify with the limited physical body.

once you identify with the entire universe, 'existence' becomes the entire universe only, as your self. your human self is a more limited, time-bound appearance of that universal self, just like a single cell in your body is a much more limited, time-bound appearance than your entire body.

in the most primary sense, the entire universe is your body, or god's body, or the body of 'existence'. if you identify with this only, then the idea of existence itself drops away, because it is known that the only existence is yourself, thereby rendering the word useless, because there is nothing else to compare it to.

in this state, you can say to yourself 'god is a ****' fearlessly, because you have no external idea of a god as separate from yourself, you are simply calling yourself a ****. and at the same time you can be in absolute awe and reverence to this 'god', appearing as everything, so much positivity and negativity cancelling itself out and always returning back to eternal neutrality and nothingness.

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No no, I believe you, even though you don't exist...

existence is another word. belief in it is what gives it apparent reality. you say you believe me sarcastically, but actually, you involuntarily believe what your intellect tells you about all my words being invalid because i contradict myself by having opinions, even though claiming non-existence. the same as frank really, just absolute fear to actually investigate what i am saying, instead of hanging back and claiming that 'nope, it is not valid because you are claiming that you don't exist.'

to explain my stance on existence further:
most people would say that they exist individually, and also an external universe exists. they experience the two things separately, their own physical body, and the external physical universe.

this is because their consciousness is functioning individually, identifying itself as a limited single creature. this state of consciousness has allowed the huge technological leaps of humanity, due to the motivation to be a better individual than other individuals, which causes competition and amazing results in technology. it also causes war, violence etc.

individual consciousness usually only ends at death, when there is no physical body anymore to be conscious of. but with experience which is extreme enough - positive or negative - individual consciousness ends by itself simply as a result of intelligence. it backtracks and lands in universal intelligence. the same atoms that make up your body are the same atoms that have existed since the beginning of the universe. they 'remember' themselves as such, and no longer identify with the limited physical body.

once you identify with the entire universe, 'existence' becomes the entire universe only, as your self. your human self is a more limited, time-bound appearance of that universal self, just like a single cell in your body is a much more limited, time-bound appearance than your entire body.

in the most primary sense, the entire universe is your body, or god's body, or the body of 'existence'. if you identify with this only, then the idea of existence itself drops away, because it is known that the only existence is yourself, thereby rendering the word useless, because there is nothing else to compare it to.

in this state, you can say to yourself 'god is a ****' fearlessly, because you have no external idea of a god as separate from yourself, you are simply calling yourself a ****. and at the same time you can be in absolute awe and reverence to this 'god', appearing as everything, so much positivity and negativity cancelling itself out and always returning back to eternal neutrality and nothingness.

carnaticmystery wrote:

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No no, I believe you, even though you don't exist...

existence is another word. belief in it is what gives it apparent reality. you say you believe me sarcastically, but actually, you involuntarily believe what your intellect tells you about all my words being invalid because i contradict myself by having opinions, even though claiming non-existence. the same as frank really, just absolute fear to actually investigate what i am saying, instead of hanging back and claiming that 'nope, it is not valid because you are claiming that you don't exist.'

to explain my stance on existence further:
most people would say that they exist individually, and also an external universe exists. they experience the two things separately, their own physical body, and the external physical universe.

this is because their consciousness is functioning individually, identifying itself as a limited single creature. this state of consciousness has allowed the huge technological leaps of humanity, due to the motivation to be a better individual than other individuals, which causes competition and amazing results in technology. it also causes war, violence etc.

individual consciousness usually only ends at death, when there is no physical body anymore to be conscious of. but with experience which is extreme enough - positive or negative - individual consciousness ends by itself simply as a result of intelligence. it backtracks and lands in universal intelligence. the same atoms that make up your body are the same atoms that have existed since the beginning of the universe. they 'remember' themselves as such, and no longer identify with the limited physical body.

once you identify with the entire universe, 'existence' becomes the entire universe only, as your self. your human self is a more limited, time-bound appearance of that universal self, just like a single cell in your body is a much more limited, time-bound appearance than your entire body.

in the most primary sense, the entire universe is your body, or god's body, or the body of 'existence'. if you identify with this only, then the idea of existence itself drops away, because it is known that the only existence is yourself, thereby rendering the word useless, because there is nothing else to compare it to.

in this state, you can say to yourself 'god is a ****' fearlessly, because you have no external idea of a god as separate from yourself, you are simply calling yourself a ****. and at the same time you can be in absolute awe and reverence to this 'god', appearing as everything, so much positivity and negativity cancelling itself out and always returning back to eternal neutrality and nothingness.

Oriental mysticism at its best. Love it.

Does that mean you sounded both profound and stupid?

Who is the "you" and "yourself" that are in the great nothingness, Oh Great Revealer of REALITY?

Alright so you want to mix in the big whole. Fine with me but I'm not interested. Have a good nothing.

Oriental mysticism at its best. Love it.

Not my take on things... but close... very close... nice post!

Mystics, as I understand them, do not think when they want to appreciate their existence; they look, or better said, they see. Their engagement with their nature is prereflective. But most of the time they think like everyone else in order to do the practical work of living.

By the way, this positive value for "the natural" amuses me. I see so many people insisting that if something is "natural" (expecially food) it is good or safe. I recall someone saying that he was going to prepare a food of natural ingredients. He went into the forst to gather "natural" vegetables, including toadstools.

cm has no interest in making sense. He is trying to make Apisa and others look stupid and he's doing a good job of it.

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Does that mean you sounded both profound and stupid?

to your limited mind, yes.

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Who is the "you" and "yourself" that are in the great nothingness, Oh Great Revealer of REALITY?

there is no 'you' or 'yourself' or 'me' or 'myself' in the 'great nothingness'. there is simply the entirety of existence, which realises that it has nothing else to compare itself into, and therefore stops defining itself as 'existent', because the dual idea of something 'else' drops away.

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Not my take on things... but close... very close... nice post!

thanks, i understand the unconventional nature of what i am saying, but its because i cut directly to the absolute, as did one great nisargadatta maharaj. the buddhist idea of total enlightenment may or may not equate with the absolute parabrahman i am speaking of, that which is beyond brahman.