@Frank Apisa,
Quote:f you are trying to make a case that saying "I do not know" when I do not know...indicates a messianic complex...you did a miserable job of it.
obviously not too miserable, an idiot like you still understood!
olivier started a whole thread now to discuss the definition of knowledge. my point here is simple. if everyone is arguing about what knowledge is, then obviously nobody seems to 'know' what knowledge is.
your only point that you keep repeating is that 'i say i do not know, because i do not know, this makes me the greatest. i hate all you bad liars like cm who say they know things, but they are blindly guessing.'
but unfortunately, i agree with you that saying you know something is always a lie, and that all my knowledge, like yours, and all humanity's, is irrelevant, limited, subjective and uncertain.
what you should consider is, if claiming knowledge is so bad like how you condemn me when i say 'i know nothing exists', then why is 'claiming you don't know' acceptable? can't you see that you only have defined knowing and not knowing? when i say i know nothing exists, i also know that all knowledge is limited and blah blah, everything i have said.
when you say you do not know the ultimate reality, you believe this as your ultimate knowledge. you KNOW YOU DON'T KNOW.
but unfortunately, that isn't possible. keep investigating, sonny jim.
now, unfortunately (again), there is little else in your entire pathetic post worth responding to. but lets try to end on a good note:
Quote:I have almost completely abandoned using the term "agnostic" to define myself...relying on a description of how I feel about the agnostic position instead.
good, you are learning. now you just have to get past your belief in not knowing as the ultimate truth, and find out that actually the eternal paradox of knowing/not knowing simultaneously is the eternal ultimate truth of non duality. that is, the ultimate duality is knowledge of one's own existence vs understanding that one does not actually know their own existence. this duality can never be reconciled because they both directly conflict each other, and yet are both simultaneously true at all times. this simple experiential paradox is enough to reveal the infinite truth of non duality.