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morality, drugs, existence

 
 
carnaticmystery
 
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Reply Wed 11 Dec, 2013 11:02 pm
@Olivier5,
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Sounds like a plan...

its not a plan, its just what is happening. if USA stays the superpower of the world, then india won't care, and will remain number 3 or whatever. if USA ends up killing itself as the superpower, then china and india will naturally be the leaders of the world. and they will certainly not be competing for power, because neither culture are interested in power.

but yeah, i guess your plan is better: wait for the india vs china war. rofl
Olivier5
 
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Reply Thu 12 Dec, 2013 06:06 am
@carnaticmystery,
"THE Muslims" didn't do 9/11. SOME Muslims did.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Thu 12 Dec, 2013 06:18 am
@carnaticmystery,
I am waiting for nothing. I am just saying what I see: China is becoming expansionist. It's not a democracy. The lunacy of a few men can lead the country anywhere, like when Mao's policies killed by some estimates 40 ml people in a few years -- about the same toll as WW2 -- just because he wanted a Great Leap Forward... But that doesn't count in your violence stats.

I suppose Japan, with its fair share of Buddhist, was not interested in power before the 30's. Ignore history's lesson at your peril.

Anyway, India is but a meaningless concept full of nothingness, so if it disappears we shouldn't be too bothered, right?
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 12 Dec, 2013 08:15 am
@carnaticmystery,
carnaticmystery wrote:

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wasting your time with posts like these.

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I doubt that very much, CM. Listen to the tone of this reply...and then compare it to the ones you gave to my several posts prior to it.

ok sorry. if you consider me 'changing my tone' a victory on your part, and a great use of your time, then you are right you are not wasting your time at all.

actually, it is nothing but a failure on your part, proving that my previous tone had an effect on you. the correct effect, the one where you didn't like it, and had to get me to change that tone. so thanks for falling directly into my trap.


Wow...that was desperation at the keyboard, CM.

You gotta calm down...and only write when you have something reasonable to say.

As for pretending that you had set a trap and I fell into it....well...I will carry that with me for the rest of the morning and probably laugh at it as much each time that it comes to mind as it did the moment I read it.

YOU...setting a trap!!!! Laughing Laughing Laughing

Drunk
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 12 Dec, 2013 09:08 am
I think Apisa has got echolalia.
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carnaticmystery
 
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Reply Fri 13 Dec, 2013 01:18 am
@Frank Apisa,
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Wow...that was desperation at the keyboard, CM.

You gotta calm down...and only write when you have something reasonable to say.

i have to use desperation to get anywhere with your primitive intellect. everything i say no matter what, you will interpret as unreasonable. therefore, i most certainly did create the trap of giving you the reasonable answers you wanted, flavoured with an intensely deep sarcasm.
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As for pretending that you had set a trap and I fell into it....well...I will carry that with me for the rest of the morning and probably laugh at it as much each time that it comes to mind as it did the moment I read it.

YOU...setting a trap!!!!

laugh away, all the way into my next few traps. HAHA what did you think, i really did suddenly think you were god and i was wrong about everything? rooofl you wish
carnaticmystery
 
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Reply Fri 13 Dec, 2013 01:21 am
@Olivier5,
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"THE Muslims" didn't do 9/11. SOME Muslims did

'SOME Muslims' didn't do it. there is no proof of anybody's guilt behind it. there are significant theories that US businessmen were behind it and funded it. i merely said 'the muslims did it' to go along with the majority of opinion on the matter. so, you are actually the more racist one, assuming muslims did it for sure.
carnaticmystery
 
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Reply Fri 13 Dec, 2013 01:29 am
@Olivier5,
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I am waiting for nothing. I am just saying what I see: China is becoming expansionist. It's not a democracy. The lunacy of a few men can lead the country anywhere, like when Mao's policies killed by some estimates 40 ml people in a few years -- about the same toll as WW2 -- just because he wanted a Great Leap Forward... But that doesn't count in your violence stats.

i do not ultimately care about any violence stats. if you categorically prove to me that hindus or buddhists or anybody has done much more violence than other religions, then i will readily accept it. i will condemn hinduism and buddhism to the end of it, i don't care. it is you that is simply offended by the very idea that maybe abrahamic religions ARE more violent, and trying in vain endlessly to prove that hindus are just as bad. keep struggling..

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I suppose Japan, with its fair share of Buddhist, was not interested in power before the 30's. Ignore history's lesson at your peril.

who is ignoring anything? no matter how much idiotic proof of violence you show me, it won't change the overall numbers.

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Anyway, India is but a meaningless concept full of nothingness, so if it disappears we shouldn't be too bothered, right?

there is no india or anything to disappear, and yes, nothingness is the absolute primary only existence, according to indian philosophy. anybody who denies this does not understand the highest teaching in indian history: non duality.

Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 13 Dec, 2013 05:52 am
@carnaticmystery,
carnaticmystery wrote:

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Wow...that was desperation at the keyboard, CM.

You gotta calm down...and only write when you have something reasonable to say.

i have to use desperation to get anywhere with your primitive intellect. everything i say no matter what, you will interpret as unreasonable. therefore, i most certainly did create the trap of giving you the reasonable answers you wanted, flavoured with an intensely deep sarcasm.


CM...you are one of the funniest people ever to post here in A2K. I thank you for being here.



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As for pretending that you had set a trap and I fell into it....well...I will carry that with me for the rest of the morning and probably laugh at it as much each time that it comes to mind as it did the moment I read it.

YOU...setting a trap!!!!

laugh away, all the way into my next few traps. HAHA what did you think, i really did suddenly think you were god and i was wrong about everything? rooofl you wish


Setting more traps!!!!

Oh, my aching sides. Drunk
Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 13 Dec, 2013 06:16 am
@carnaticmystery,
I am just less naïve and better informed than you are.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 13 Dec, 2013 06:29 am
@carnaticmystery,
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it is you that is simply offended by the very idea that maybe abrahamic religions ARE more violent, and trying in vain endlessly to prove that hindus are just as bad. keep struggling..

I am not offended. I will believe it the day you prove it. Otherwise it sounds like another cheap cliché. And a very dangerous one to hold on to...

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nothingness is the absolute primary only existence, according to indian philosophy.


Nothingness does not exist at all, it's an empty concept, by definition.

Anyway, in the course of this discussion, we've established you are a hater, a naïve, misinformed and nationalistic dummy, a mind incapable of logic, peddling an immoral theory, and mentally dead. If that's the best Indian philosophy has to offer, it's really sad. I'd rather think you don't understand your own philosophical tradition very well. Millions of Indians can't be that stupid...
carnaticmystery
 
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Reply Fri 13 Dec, 2013 06:45 pm
@Olivier5,
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I am just less naïve and better informed than you are.

congrats on your self defined better state than me.
carnaticmystery
 
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Reply Fri 13 Dec, 2013 07:02 pm
@Olivier5,
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I am not offended.

yes you are.
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I will believe it the day you prove it.

no need to prove that it, just like i don't need to prove the sky is blue. you are only not believing it because it offends you.
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Otherwise it sounds like another cheap cliché. And a very dangerous one to hold on to...

yeah, 'cheap cliche' is your primitive way of interpreting the fact that you are offended.
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Nothingness does not exist at all, it's an empty concept, by definition.

in your limited mind, the universe exists. you exist. the concept of nothingness doesn't exist.
in my unlimited mind, nothing exists absolutely, and therefore by default, that 'nothingness' becomes the only absolute paradoxical 'existence'.
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Anyway, in the course of this discussion, we've established you are a hater

yep hate you
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, a naïve, misinformed and nationalistic dummy

all humans are naive, misinformed, nationalistic in ways. and they believe they are not.
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, a mind incapable of logic

all human mind is capable of logic, and all mind activity is a result of logic only. the idea of illogicity comes from logic. it is you who is too stupid to understand this.
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, peddling an immoral theory

morality is a dualistic idea which doesn't arise in nonduality, instead what appears as 'good morals' to others naturally happens, without being defined as such.
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and mentally dead.

actually, when the 'individual' mind 'dies', the mental 'activity' or perception of it is infinitely increased. consciousness identifying with the universal mind does not limit its perception to a single body anymore. also, even the individual mind does not 'die', but just continues with less attention paid to it, because it is a secondary phenomenon compared to the experience of eternal universal mind.
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If that's the best Indian philosophy has to offer, it's really sad.

on the contrary, it is great that what all hindu philosophy boils down to is brahman, the very idea of non duality. and so yes, the best indian philosophy has to offer is the original teachings: that everything is one, awareness is primary, nothing absolutely exists.

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I'd rather think you don't understand your own philosophical tradition very well. Millions of Indians can't be that stupid...

yes, to the abrahamic, violent mind, needing to believe in the absolute reality of the external universe in order to justify genocide constantly, of course the indian philosophy of eternal peace in an eternal universe where there is no duality must be 'stupid'.

carnaticmystery
 
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Reply Fri 13 Dec, 2013 07:23 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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CM...you are one of the funniest people ever to post here in A2K. I thank you for being here.

thanks buddy i agree. of course, the 'you are god' trick was still definitely a trap, but i agree it was a funny one, especially coz it worked.
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Setting more traps!!!!

Oh, my aching sides.

i agree it is hilarious, but for different reasons. you think the idea that i could 'set a trap' is hilarious, because i am too dumb? perhaps. and yet you are the one who brought up my 'change in tone' as a victory for you.

i think its hilarious because you pretending to laugh this off is your only way of saving face, now knowing that you actually did fall into my 'trap'. let me define my trap for you a little better:

you were/are still extremely narrow-minded in your understanding of this conversation. you got intellectually interested in my propositions about 'nothingness', and the obvious but primitive instinct to negate that came up in you strongly. so you felt the need to prove me wrong, that there is no possibility of nothingness, it is all paradoxical, only 'what is is'. you need to establish that you are correct about 'what is is' being a better explanation of 'absolute reality', which you believe in as a result of the primitive desire for consciousness to define itself as real. this primitive desire dissolves once intelligence overrides it.

now, i digress, lets get to the 'trap'. i could see that no matter what i say, you are just on autopilot, maintaining the simple idea that 'what is is' and not budging from it, because of your ego dominance. so i decided to totally agree with you, treat you like a god, so that it wouldn't be possible anymore for you to keep blindly negating me from your blind ego impulses.

it worked perfectly, because you started avoiding my responses, you never really addressed this new 'tone' i had. you wrote it off as me being immature or something, but essentially, you had nothing left to say because i was agreeing with everything you said.

then, having seen that my trap has already basically worked, i let off, and said 'you are wasting your time'. a simple statement to show that i was bored of this game. at this point, i didn't even assume it was a 'trap', just a game. then, when you responded, claiming that i had 'changed my tone', and therefore your time wasn't wasted, i realised that my game had actually worked as a trap that you fell directly into.

you admitted that you couldn't deal with my previous tone, and considered it a victory that i had changed back to a normal tone.

why is that? why couldn't you deal with it? i was agreeing with everything you said, and conceding absolute defeat, acknowledging everything you say as perfect.

you couldn't deal with that, because the current level of your intellect doesn't even believe in itself as advanced enough to deserve that level of praise. so you assumed i was being insincere, this or that. actually, it was just a perfect trap.

Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 13 Dec, 2013 08:20 pm
@carnaticmystery,
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in your limited mind, the universe exists. you exist. the concept of nothingness doesn't exist.
in my unlimited mind, nothing exists absolutely, and therefore by default, that 'nothingness' becomes the only absolute paradoxical 'existence'.

Listen, if thingness=nothingness, and if likewise all concepts and dimensions are void and meaningless, and if men are only babbling, it's quite possible you and I are sensing the same elephant from different angles. You emphasize its 'nothingness' and I emphasize its thingness but nothing=something.

BTW, I meant to say that you wrongly equate emptiness and nothingness in your list of items further upstream, when speaking of matter which is 99.9999 EMPTY SPACE. Not NOTHING. Emptiness implies an empty SPACE, which is SOMETHING, something many city dwellers are longing after.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 13 Dec, 2013 08:27 pm
@carnaticmystery,
You're most kind... :-----) you really think the thesis that some US business interest would have blown off the Twins and the Pentagon has any merit?
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 14 Dec, 2013 07:22 am
@carnaticmystery,
carnaticmystery wrote:

]CM...you are one of the funniest people ever to post here in A2K. I thank you for being here.

thanks buddy i agree. of course, the 'you are god' trick was still definitely a trap, but i agree it was a funny one, especially coz it worked.
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Setting more traps!!!!


Keep dreaming. That is one of the things I like most about you...you are a dreamer.


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Oh, my aching sides.

i agree it is hilarious, but for different reasons. you think the idea that i could 'set a trap' is hilarious, because i am too dumb? perhaps. and yet you are the one who brought up my 'change in tone' as a victory for you.


I do not think you are dumb...so that cannot be the reason I think the "set a trap" notion was funny. I thought it was funny because it was hilarious.

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i think its hilarious because you pretending to laugh this off is your only way of saving face, now knowing that you actually did fall into my 'trap'. let me define my trap for you a little better:

you were/are still extremely narrow-minded in your understanding of this conversation. you got intellectually interested in my propositions about 'nothingness', and the obvious but primitive instinct to negate that came up in you strongly. so you felt the need to prove me wrong, that there is no possibility of nothingness, it is all paradoxical, only 'what is is'. you need to establish that you are correct about 'what is is' being a better explanation of 'absolute reality', which you believe in as a result of the primitive desire for consciousness to define itself as real. this primitive desire dissolves once intelligence overrides it.

now, i digress, lets get to the 'trap'. i could see that no matter what i say, you are just on autopilot, maintaining the simple idea that 'what is is' and not budging from it, because of your ego dominance. so i decided to totally agree with you, treat you like a god, so that it wouldn't be possible anymore for you to keep blindly negating me from your blind ego impulses.

it worked perfectly, because you started avoiding my responses, you never really addressed this new 'tone' i had. you wrote it off as me being immature or something, but essentially, you had nothing left to say because i was agreeing with everything you said.

then, having seen that my trap has already basically worked, i let off, and said 'you are wasting your time'. a simple statement to show that i was bored of this game. at this point, i didn't even assume it was a 'trap', just a game. then, when you responded, claiming that i had 'changed my tone', and therefore your time wasn't wasted, i realised that my game had actually worked as a trap that you fell directly into.


Oh, my god...will you actually go this far to make me laugh. You are a joy.

And you didn't even realize that you had set a trap!!!

I just love the way you keep claiming victories...like "you got intellectually interested in my propositions about 'nothingness'"

Frankly, I have not been especially interested in your "propositions about nothingness"...and except for Olivier's comments about the absurdity of the notions...I have not followed your argument to any extent.

You present blind guesses about REALITY as though they cannot be contested...and when you are shown to be a blind guesser, you pretend you know you have been just guessing right along.

You are a fraud, CM...not dumb or unintelligent. Although you may be correct that you are immature. My guess is that you are very young...either physically or mentally.

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you admitted that you couldn't deal with my previous tone, and considered it a victory that i had changed back to a normal tone.


Another claim of victory. I doubt there is ANYONE on A2K who could "not deal with your tone"...and certainly I could and have. Get off the ego trip...you are not that big a deal here. We get people like you all the time...people with the "truth" and a zeal to "share" it. You provide laughter more than intellectual curiosity, CM.




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why is that? why couldn't you deal with it? i was agreeing with everything you said, and conceding absolute defeat, acknowledging everything you say as perfect.


I have no idea of why you dreamed that up...so you will have to answer it for yourself. I could deal with you while doing a difficult Sudoku.


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you couldn't deal with that, because the current level of your intellect doesn't even believe in itself as advanced enough to deserve that level of praise. so you assumed i was being insincere, this or that. actually, it was just a perfect trap.


You mean this trap that you set but didn't know you set it???

C'mon, CM. You gotta do a lot better than this. But thanks again for the humor...the intentional humor and the unintentional.

You are one of my favorites. Wink Wink Wink

spendius
 
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Reply Sat 14 Dec, 2013 10:46 am
@Frank Apisa,
Apisa is evidently unaware of the philosophic and scientific interest in nothingness which has been going on for 2,500 years at least and is still going strong in those stations in life which rely on more than New Jersey tabloid newspapers for information.
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Sat 14 Dec, 2013 03:44 pm
@spendius,
I agree with you that the vast majority of people in this world as a vested interest in nothing at all ! Wink
carnaticmystery
 
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Reply Sat 14 Dec, 2013 09:44 pm
@Olivier5,
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Listen, if thingness=nothingness, and if likewise all concepts and dimensions are void and meaningless, and if men are only babbling, it's quite possible you and I are sensing the same elephant from different angles

all sensing happens in consciousness which self-defines itself as 'individual' even though it occurs as an involuntary appearance in eternal awareness.

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You emphasize its 'nothingness' and I emphasize its thingness but nothing=something.

yes. emphasizing either the nothingness or thingness is just part of the game though. i am only emphasizing the nothingness to BALANCE out the extreme imbalance in the world today of people believing in 'thingness'. if the world had the perfect balance of believing in absolute reality, and seeing it as absolute nothingness, then i wouldn't bother saying this stuff. but people like you and frank are revolting against me so hard, that i feel compelled to keep arguing for 'nothingness'.

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BTW, I meant to say that you wrongly equate emptiness and nothingness in your list of items further upstream, when speaking of matter which is 99.9999 EMPTY SPACE.

i have equated nothing of the sort. if you want to define empty space as not nothingness, that is fine. but it is also a complete lack of 'matter', which is what we consider as absolute reality.
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Not NOTHING. Emptiness implies an empty SPACE, which is SOMETHING, something many city dwellers are longing after.

the 'something' that is pure empty space is just a concept. similarly i can say nothingness itself is also a something, if i choose to define it as such. if empty space has a finite boundary, as idiots like fil albuquerque would probably think, then it can be defined as a finite something. there is certainly no proof of this truth today, therefore, empty space could really just be 'absolutely nothing'.
 

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