God...why would he not show his face or an miracle to save millions!

Neo and I have been going at it in heated arguments for over a decade now..

Haha the atheist versus the JW, it's almost as entertaining as 'King Kong versus Godzilla"..
You want a real opponent? Try taking on the kid from Nazareth..

What I, as an agnostic theïst, personally believe, is that faith is actually acceptance without proof. Offering proof in one way or another would then invalidate everyone's faith.

Well said, indeed. There can be no proof of the existence of a Creator. If such incontrovertible evidence were to be discovered, we would have to call this being something other than 'God.' God has already been defined and the acceptance (or rejection) of the idea of an omnipotent deiety depends, at least in part, on the impossibility of the human mind ever to grasp the parameters of this supposed being. Without faith, there can be no God. With the presence of proof, faith becomes unnecessary.

You would be shy too, if you found out your visage could kill people on the spot!

And even though I'm omnipotent I can't do anything about it.

that explains everything.


I'm really fucked up.

You're one sick bubbie, Romeo. I wish you well

Those who look for empirical certainty will never see 'proof'. But remember, our legal system allows convictions on the basis of circumstantial and anecdotal evidence. In my own case, I consider myself a compulsive skeptic eventually swayed by an abundance of "coincidence"

Obviously you're not much of a Scrabble player either. The name of a person is a proper noun and would not be admissible as a word in the game

najmelliw wrote:

You would be shy too, if you found out your visage could kill people on the spot!

And even though I'm omnipotent I can't do anything about it.

that explains everything.


I'm really fucked up.

If not shy, embarrassed. After that burning bush episode he said he'd call back, then there was that party with the cherubs and a couple of lost weeks in the Pegasus system, and by then it was just too late.

Good point. I think I misspoke. Of course, God could exist with or without our faith in such a being. My point was that anything which is susceptible to scientific proof can no longer be considered to be 'God.'

The God of the gaps argument seems quite dated now especially as science has explained so much.

Now the question is why can this universe sustain life, when just a few changes would make it impossible. Is it by design or just one of countless universes all different, and the fact that this one can sustain life is just chance.

Don't know? Neither do I, but it's probably best to be nice to others in any event.

The most important bit of the Bible is Love Thy Neighbour As Thyself. The rest is just padding. If we all did that the World would be a better place regardless of belief.

The God of the gaps argument seems quite dated now especially as science has explained so much.

Now the question is why can this universe sustain life, when just a few changes would make it impossible. Is it by design or just one of countless universes all different, and the fact that this one can sustain life is just chance.

Don't know? Neither do I, but it's probably best to be nice to others in any event.

The most important bit of the Bible is Love Thy Neighbour As Thyself. The rest is just padding. If we all did that the World would be a better place regardless of belief.

@Romeo Fabulini,
You really are a racist piece of ****

PS- my Romany heritage might be where i've inherited my awesome spiritual powers from. . . .

This is the excellent foppery of the world that when we are sick in fortune—often the surfeit of our own behavior—we make guilty of our disasters the sun, the moon, and the stars, as if we were villains by necessity, fools by heavenly compulsion, knaves, thieves, and treachers by spherical predominance, drunkards, liars, and adulterers by an enforced obedience of planetary influence, and all that we are evil in by a divine thrusting-on. An admirable evasion of whoremaster man, to lay his goatish disposition to the charge of a star! My father compounded with my mother under the dragon’s tail and my nativity was under Ursa Major, so that it follows I am rough and lecherous. Fut, I should have been that I am, had the maidenliest star in the firmament twinkled on my bastardizing.

Romeo Fabulini wrote:

PS- my Romany heritage might be where i've inherited my awesome spiritual powers from. . . .

Stop blaming your heritage and take responsibility like a man.

Shakespeare wrote:

This is the excellent foppery of the world that when we are sick in fortune—often the surfeit of our own behavior—we make guilty of our disasters the sun, the moon, and the stars, as if we were villains by necessity, fools by heavenly compulsion, knaves, thieves, and treachers by spherical predominance, drunkards, liars, and adulterers by an enforced obedience of planetary influence, and all that we are evil in by a divine thrusting-on. An admirable evasion of whoremaster man, to lay his goatish disposition to the charge of a star! My father compounded with my mother under the dragon’s tail and my nativity was under Ursa Major, so that it follows I am rough and lecherous. Fut, I should have been that I am, had the maidenliest star in the firmament twinkled on my bastardizing.

(Edmund's speech from King Lear)

@Neologist and Frank Apisa

Bravo guys, we'll make Christians of you yet..
Edmund's King Lear speech was simply an attack on daffy astrologers so thanks for quoting it as it also ties in nicely with what the Bible says -
"astrologers...the fire will burn them" (Isaiah 47:13/14)
"Don't worship the sun moon and stars" (Deut 4:19)
"He stargazed and used spells and witchcraft, and spoke to demons and wizards,he did much evil in the sight of the Lord" (2 Chron 33:6)