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Why "balls-up" means "something badly botched or muddled"?

 
 
Reply Fri 4 Oct, 2013 06:50 am
What does "ball" mean here?

Context:

balls-up
n.
something badly botched or muddled
 
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 4 Oct, 2013 06:59 am
@oristarA,
The word "balls" in this expression, and in so many other colloquial expressions, refers to testicles.
Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 4 Oct, 2013 07:00 am
You'll have to wait for an Englishman for that one.
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oristarA
 
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Reply Fri 4 Oct, 2013 07:08 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

The word "balls" in this expression, and in so many other colloquial expressions, refers to testicles.



Well, why "up" causes a mess?
maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 4 Oct, 2013 08:05 am
@oristarA,
I always thought of it as being a humorous (and slightly crude) way to invoke the image of being upside-down. I just googled the etymology and it seems the origin is a bit unclear.
oristarA
 
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Reply Fri 4 Oct, 2013 08:40 am
@maxdancona,
Why haven't I thought of this? Very Happy
McTag
 
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Reply Fri 4 Oct, 2013 12:57 pm
@oristarA,
Balls-up, screw-up, ****-up

All similar phrases to mean the same thing. I think the last two are principally AmE, but well understood everywhere. There's no real logic behind any of them; just crude and deliberately ugly expressions to describe a very unsatisfactory situation.
contrex
 
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Reply Fri 4 Oct, 2013 01:13 pm
@McTag,
McTag wrote:
Balls-up, screw-up, ****-up


To cock [something] up, to create or cause a cock-up, to go tits up.

We refer to sexual or excretory anatomy to express contempt. E.g.

Person 1: David Cameron is a nice man.
Person 2: Nice man my arse!



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roger
 
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Reply Fri 4 Oct, 2013 01:17 pm
It's because the ladies have begun to object to the expression "tits up".
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 4 Oct, 2013 02:32 pm
@roger,
When you fall on your back you go tits up. If you fall on your front you go arse over tit.
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McTag
 
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Reply Fri 4 Oct, 2013 02:34 pm
@roger,

Quote:
It's because the ladies have begun to object to the expression "tits up".


Careful, Roger, you are mixing up a noun with an adjectival phrase.
roger
 
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Reply Fri 4 Oct, 2013 03:03 pm
@McTag,
Did JTT get hold of your password?
Ceili
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Reply Fri 4 Oct, 2013 11:36 pm
Quote:
In current usage, any disastrous situation. The balls referred to are NOT testicles. The term dates from the days of wooden sailing ships when the existence of a shipboard disaster, such as plague, lack of food or water, mutiny, etc. was communicated to the outside world by hoisting large-ish, brightly painted wooden balls up into the rigging. Balls of different colors represented different disasters and therefore served as either requests for assistance or warnings to stay clear.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=balls%20up
An interesting possibility...
McTag
 
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Reply Sat 5 Oct, 2013 01:12 am
@roger,

Quote:
Did JTT get hold of your password?


Ha! My remark was polite, positive, and helpful.

You're welcome.
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oristarA
 
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Reply Sat 5 Oct, 2013 01:34 am
@Ceili,
Good reading.
Thank you Ceili.
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McTag
 
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Reply Sat 5 Oct, 2013 03:52 am
@Ceili,

Quote:
An interesting possibility...


A remote possibility I think. But an interesting subject.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 5 Oct, 2013 03:56 am
@McTag,
I think it's remote as well. Flags have always been used to communicate at sea.
Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 5 Oct, 2013 05:02 am
@izzythepush,
Not necessarily . . . not all ships would have a flag locker full of signal flags--in fact, one would not expect a merchant ship to have signal flags at all. Even naval vessels didn't always rely on flags. A common signal from one naval vessel to another would be a gun to leeward (the sound would not carry very far to windward) and the main topsail flapping free in the wind. The signal meant "strange sail in sight," and meant an unidentified warship which could be seen by the signalling ship, but not yet visible to the ship to which the signal was directed.

All sailing ships would have a carpenter, though, and running up set of wooden balls would be an hour's work.

EDIT: The "strange sail in sight" signal was often reinforced by the lining the rail with seamen pointing in the direction of the unidentified ship--a simple and unmistakable signal.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 5 Oct, 2013 05:10 am
@Setanta,
It sounds like the work of CANOE (the Committee to Ascribe a Naval Origin to Everything.)

Btw, the merchant ship I worked on had plenty of flags.
Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 5 Oct, 2013 05:29 am
@izzythepush,
What is true in the late 20th century or early 21st century was not necessarily true in the 17th, 18th and 19th centuries. When most of your crew are illiterate and even your petty officers are only barely literate, it would be a bit much to expect them to use signal flags the way a signals midshipman on a warship would do. The "strange sail in sight" is nor apochryphal--that you may not know it certainly is not conclusive.
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