Lawton had gradually been cut out of the loop on legal reviews.

@McTag,

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If you carry out your usual game of comparing phrases by numbers (I suspect you already have, and that's why you haven't mentioned it) you will learn something that does not support your argument.

By all means, bring it forward, McTag.

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Although "your argument" seems largely involved in attacking me.

Not at all. Contrex too, has pointed out your mistakes.

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I have tried to be constructive.

Yeah, the following was very constructive, McTag.

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"Left out of the loop" is the original phrase and has the charm of alliteration on its side.
"Cut out of the loop" is a rather uglier phrase which I had not previously seen. An unnecessary modern alteration, or a piece of vandalism, depending on your point of view.

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What useful purpose do you think you serve?

I don't allow your peevish ravings to influence ESLs or even other ENLs.

What useful purpose do you think you serve with the crap you wrote? You sound like you're trying to make a pretense of being a Fowler or a Simon.

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@JTT,

As I said, I sum you up as being deranged, with antisocial bias.

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Yeah, the following was very constructive, McTag.

Of course it was.
Here's something else for you to consider: I see you as the linguistic equivalent of the accountant, who famously knows the price of everything, but the value of nothing.

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@McTag,

You sure can trot out the diversions.

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Here's something else for you to consider: I see you as the linguistic equivalent of the accountant,

These are as valuable as your offerings on language.

Did I mention how adept you are at tangents?

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I am a former language teacher who is now an accountant...

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@contrex,

Cometh the hour, cometh the man.

I wish these exchanges could be less personal, but our friend makes it extremely difficult. And I can resist most things, but not temptation.

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@McTag,

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And I can resist most things,

You certainly can resist addressing the actual language issues, McTag, with a vengeance.

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@McTag,

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I wish these exchanges could be less personal,

Many threads to eventually deteriorate in this manner, don't they Mac. I oft wonder if the tendency would be ameliorated by a requirement for all usernames to be real

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@dalehileman,

Sadly I fear, in some folks the duplicitousness, the very dupliciosity, runs too deep for that.

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@McTag,

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Sadly I fear, in some folks the duplicitousness, the very dupliciosity, runs too deep for that.

True dat, McTag. You advance nonsense and then you run off in every direction possible to avoid addressing your own nonsense.

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@JTT,

I address what needs to be addressed, your smarmy sniping.

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@McTag,

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@JTT,

Ah brevity, the soul of wit.

You seem to have mastered the brevity part.

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@McTag,

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Lawton had gradually been cut out of the loop on legal reviews.

Here's another thing, as we're talking about nuances here, as we often do:

"Cut out of the loop" suggests a single act, a one-off happening, not a gradual one.

Another reason why I would choose the alternative phrase "left out". Not only is it nicer, it's more logical. You're welcome.

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@McTag,

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Lawton had gradually been cut out of the loop on legal reviews.

Here's another thing, as we're talking about nuances here, as we often do:

"Cut out of the loop" suggests a single act, a one-off happening, not a gradual one.

You are obviously having trouble understanding the word 'gradually'. But that's what happens when people advance this fowlerish type nonsense.

Lawton had gradually been cut out of the loop.

Lawton had abruptly been cut out of the loop.

Lawton had slowly but surely been cut out of the loop.

Lawton had oh so gradually been cut out of the loop.

Lawton had [_____] been cut out of the loop.

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@McTag,

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Here's another thing, as we're talking about nuances here, as we often do:

So after intimating 'cut out of the loop' to not be part of English, you now admit that it is a nuanced use, one that would be better to describe a quick removal from the loop.

Don't you think it's better to just accurately describe language from the get go than go all fowlerish and end up making a fool of yourself?

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@JTT,

Oh you're so judgemental!

And usually wrong. Like now.

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@McTag,

Gee, you're good at explaining the language issues you raise, McTag.

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@JTT,

What I raise are explanations, clearly understandable to all except the most cussed and perverse.
It's not lack of intelligence intelligence which is your problem, although you try to make it seem that way; just your constant striving to repudiate.

A child psychologist might be of help.

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@McTag,

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What I raise are explanations, clearly understandable to all except the most cussed and perverse.

What you often raise is silly fowlerish confusion.

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"Left out of the loop" is the original phrase and has the charm of alliteration on its side.
"Cut out of the loop" is a rather uglier phrase which I had not previously seen. An unnecessary modern alteration, or a piece of vandalism, depending on your point of view.

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Here's another thing, as we're talking about nuances here, as we often do:

"Cut out of the loop" suggests a single act, a one-off happening, not a gradual one.

Another reason why I would choose the alternative phrase "left out". Not only is it nicer, it's more logical. You're welcome.

You describe a use for 'cut out' right after you've described is as "An unnecessary modern alteration". But even here you are wrong. Things can be cut out slowly, carefully, deliberately.

If you used the common sense that you sometimes use instead of your knee jerk fowlerisms, you'd appear much less confused.

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@JTT,

Do you want the names of a couple of good psychiatrists?

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