What are Your Duties to the Collective(society)?

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I say:
Obey the laws to the point that they are just.
Work
Better yourself
Speak truth

and just to be clear " be nice" and "make others feel good about themselves" are not on the list on purpose.

What say you?

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[+3] - Thomas - 09/23/2013[quote="hawkeye10"]and just to be clear " be nice" and "make others feel good about themselves" are not on the list on purpose. What say you? [/quote] **** you,...

@hawkeye10,

Firstly, I see a problem with the word "the" in the phrase "the collective", since we are often simultaneously members of different collectives with conflicting allegiances. Indeed, literature often uses such dilemmas as a central theme.

In addition, there are secondary problems with the words "just" and "truth" since these are both subject to contextual negotiation.

In general I suggest the word "duty" is about "living with oneself", bearing in mind that one major view of "self" is that is a product of socialization. Thus the answer (if any) is about psychological strategies for resolving personal internal conflicts rather than making some general philosophical statement about ethics or morality.

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Just do your own thing.. Smile

A young guy named John decided to reject the world and go live out in the wilderness, living off the land and making his own rough clothes, sometimes going in town to yell insults at the snooty priests and corrupt rulers.
His cousin Jesus said of him "John is the greatest man ever to be born" (Matt 11:11)

Michael York as John

http://imageshack.us/a/img850/4926/f9zq.jpg

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@hawkeye10,

One duty: obey the laws. After that its up to the individual to be whoever one wants to be.

I would like to add MYOB (mind your own business), but I don't think many can do that, many being mediocre humans and all.

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@Foofie,

Foofie wrote:

One duty: obey the laws. After that its up to the individual to be whoever one wants to be.

as a socialist I find your almost non existant list to be appalling. you would have never existed had your ancestors had your attitude, humans would be extinct, you need to give back......time to pay up.

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@Foofie,

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One duty: obey the laws. After that its up to the individual to be whoever one wants to be.

Sometime your duty is to disobey the laws such as the racial laws of the south before the 1950s to 1960s.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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One duty: obey the laws. After that its up to the individual to be whoever one wants to be.

Sometime your duty is to disobey the laws such as the racial laws of the south before the 1950s to 1960s.

When in Rome, do as the Romans do. It allows one to have lived in Rome. Jesus was an anti-Roman zealot. Look where it got him.

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Foofie claimed:

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Jesus was an anti-Roman zealot. Look where it got him

Jesus had no beef with the Romans, he even cured a Roman centurion's servant (Matt 8:5).. Smile

And at his trial it went like this-
PILATE - "I find Jesus not guilty"
PRIESTS - "Whoa bub, he said he was a King so that makes him guilty of treason against your Caesar who's the only true king. If you let a traitor off it'll look bad on your military record and you'll end up slopping out the latrines in the Colosseum"..
PILATE - "Hmm yes, okay I'd better sign the death warrant to cover my ass"

(Luke 23:
22- And Pilate said unto them the third time, Why, what evil hath he done? I have found no cause of death in him: I will therefore whip him, and let him go.
23 -And they were instant with loud voices, requiring that he might be crucified. And the voices of them and of the chief priests prevailed.
24 -And Pilate gave sentence that it should be as they required)

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Romeo Fabulini wrote:

Foofie claimed:

Quote:
Jesus was an anti-Roman zealot. Look where it got him

Jesus had no beef with the Romans, he even cured a Roman centurion's servant (Matt 8:5)..
And at his trial it went like this-
PILATE - "I find Jesus not guilty"
PRIESTS - "Whoa bub, he said he was a King so that makes him guilty of treason against your Caesar who's the only true king. If you let a traitor off it'll look bad on your military record and you'll end up slopping out the latrines in the Colosseum"..
PILATE - "Hmm yes, okay I'd better sign the death warrant to cover my ass"

(Luke 23:
22- And Pilate said unto them the third time, Why, what evil hath he done? I have found no cause of death in him: I will therefore whip him, and let him go.
23 -And they were instant with loud voices, requiring that he might be crucified. And the voices of them and of the chief priests prevailed.
24 -And Pilate gave sentence that it should be as they required)

Sorry, some secular bible scholars today believe that the HISTORICAL Jesus was an anti-Roman zealot. So, quoting the New Testament is just a poor source for the historical Jesus, in my opinion.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

I say:
Obey the laws to the point that they are just.
Work
Better yourself
Speak truth

and just to be clear " be nice" and "make others feel good about themselves" are not on the list on purpose.

What say you?

I have not worked for YEARS
and I have no duty to the collective to work.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

there might be a better word or phrase. contribute to the greater good maybe, though I know that you would have a fit if I claimed that you have a duty to do that.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

there might be a better word or phrase.
contribute to the greater good maybe,
though I know that you would have a fit
if I claimed that you have a duty to do that.

I 'd make it a point not to get that emotionally involved,
while rejecting the concept.
I 'd challenge it, demanding identification
of the SOURCE of the putative "duty".

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

decency.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

decency.

OK; I 'll agree to that,
so long as I am the highest and final judge of its definition.

David

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Foofie said

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some secular bible scholars today believe that the HISTORICAL Jesus was an anti-Roman zealot. So, quoting the New Testament is just a poor source for the historical Jesus, in my opinion

I don't give a rat's ass what secular atheist "scholars" say because we don't need them to do our thinking for us.. Smile

Jesus openly gigged all over Israel for 3 long years and if he really was an anti-Roman zealot they'd have soon rounded him up early on and busted his ass!

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OmSigDAVID wrote:

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I have not worked for YEARS
and I have no duty to the collective to work

Good for you mate, nobody tells you what to do.. Smile

I was the same, continally in and out of different jobs because i could never settle down in any. My longest spell out of work was about 19 years when I was into the alternative-community scene, looking at self-sufficiency and stuff.
There's this great scene in 'Dead Poets Society' where some kids rebel against society by standing on their desks, towering like the old ancient giants -
"There were giants in the earth in those days" -Genesis 6:4

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/giants1.gif

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

there might be a better word or phrase. contribute to the greater good maybe, though I know that you would have a fit if I claimed that you have a duty to do that.

Or, one could make an argument that one has a "duty" to move over and give the younger generation a chance at playing king of the mountain, so to speak.

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@Romeo Fabulini,

Romeo Fabulini wrote:

Foofie said

Quote:
some secular bible scholars today believe that the HISTORICAL Jesus was an anti-Roman zealot. So, quoting the New Testament is just a poor source for the historical Jesus, in my opinion

I don't give a rat's ass what secular atheist "scholars" say because we don't need them to do our thinking for us..
Jesus openly gigged all over Israel for 3 long years and if he really was an anti-Roman zealot they'd have soon rounded him up early on and busted his ass!

The purpose of the New Testament, in my opinion, was to effect the conversion of the pagans to Christianity; therefore, I do not believe all that I read in it.

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Here's another dood who refused to dance to the world's tune.. Smile

http://imageshack.us/a/img94/1493/ebkq.jpg

Jesus said:- "The world wants you to dance to its tune, God has sent me to release the oppressed" (Matt 11:16/17,Luke 4:18 )
"Jesus saved you from the empty way of life handed you by your forefathers" (1 Peter 1:18 )
"Don't conform to the pattern of this world" (Romans 12:2)
"For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil.." (Ephesians 6:12).

Jesus said-

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/jesu-pash.png~original

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

and just to be clear " be nice" and "make others feel good about themselves" are not on the list on purpose.

What say you?

**** you, Hawkeye.

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