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Why no Christian suicide bombers? and other thoughts...

 
 
Fedral
 
Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2004 09:13 am
Why no Christian suicide bombers? and other thoughts on Islamic terror[/u]
Dennis Prager
April 6, 2004

Golly gee, Muslim terrorists tried to attack Madrid again. How can that be? Wasn't Muslim terror in Spain supposed to end once Spain appeased the terrorists by voting in the socialists?

Only those who do not understand Muslim terror could fool themselves into believing that.

So, to better understand the subject, I offer three conclusions I drew about terror during my week of broadcasting from Israel last month.

First, Islamic terror is caused by Muslims, not, as Islamic and leftist apologists would have it, by the non-Muslims against whom it is directed. In our morally confused world, Spain, Israel and America are blamed for having their men, women and children blown up: What did these countries do to arouse such enmity among otherwise tolerant Arabs and Muslims?

Palestinian terror provides the answer. About 25 percent of Palestinians are Christian, yet if there are any Palestinian Christian suicide bombers, I am unaware of them. Now why is that? Don't Muslim and leftist apologists incessantly tell us that the reason for Palestinian terror is "Israeli occupation and oppression"? Why, then, are there no Palestinian Christian terrorists? Are Christian Palestinians less occupied?

The answer is obvious. There is Palestinian terror for the same reasons there is Muslim terror elsewhere. A significant part of the Muslim world wishes to destroy those non-Muslims -- Americans, Israelis, Filipinos, Nigerians, Sudanese blacks -- who prevent Islam from violently attaining power.

Palestinian Muslim terror emanates from a desire to destroy Israel, not to end Israel's occupation of the West Bank. Other Muslim terror is aimed at weakening the West, America in particular, so that militant theocratic Islam can dominate Muslim-majority societies and then take over other societies, as it is slowly doing in Western Europe.

Second, despite the Spanish cave-in to terror, in the long run, terror doesn't work. By any rational calculation, to take the Palestinian example, it has become the most self-destructive policy Palestinians could pursue. Palestinian terror has convinced almost all Israelis outside of academia that the moral gulf between them and the Palestinians is so wide that there is presently no hope for peace.

Nor has Palestinian terror terrorized Israelis. In what will surely be recorded as among the most impressive behaviors of a national group, Israelis have decided to live as normally as possible among people who aim to murder and maim as many of them as possible. In fact, I learned, many Israelis are now concerned that they have done this too well, that there is not enough mourning and rage after each atrocity.

Palestinian terror is self-destructive because it has morally, economically, religiously and politically destroyed Palestinian society and led to its present state of chaos. The mayor of Nablus resigned two months ago, declaring that gangs of thugs now govern Palestinian society. Any society that encourages terror ends up consumed by it. Ask the Saudis.

Third, there is a terrible long-term price that Muslims, Arabs and Palestinians in particular are paying for the minority that engages in terror and for the majority that says nothing about it or supports it.

They may wish to reflect on the fact that with every act of terror they engage in, their people and religion are increasingly identified with cruelty. Can anyone anywhere name any Palestinian contribution to humanity other than innovative forms of terror and cruelty? On my radio show, the spokesman of Zaka, the Israeli rescue squad that attends to terror victims, told me that at various times Palestinian terrorists have laced the screws attached to their bombs with rat poison, and that at least one of the Palestinian terrorists was injected with the AIDS virus in the hope that his blood would transmit AIDS to wounded Israelis.

Just as the German nation, fairly or not, has had to grapple with the moral legacy of Nazism, and the name of Christianity still suffers (unfairly) because of medieval persecutions of non-Christians, so, too, Islam, Arabs and Palestinians will have to struggle for generations to shed their identification with murdering innocents.

While it is Americans, Israelis and other targets of terror who most suffer individually from Palestinian and other Muslim terror, those with the most to lose are Palestinians, Arabs and Islam.

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suzy
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2004 09:17 am
So what are we to do?
Any attacks against them are seen as an attack against their religion, and that just makes them stronger.
Sigh
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2004 07:07 am
I think they do not see attacks as attacks against their religion. They seem them as opportunity to die for Allah.

The attacks may stir up the frenzied dogs who deal in terror and blood as a grab for power, but passiveness is seen as weakness and proof their horrendous terrorist activities are successful. Result: they are encouraged to use terrorism more and more as the way to gain control of the world for Islam which is their real goal.

Disclaimer: The vast majority of Moslems
are not terrorists and hate and denounce
what terrorists do. They are also terrified
as retribution for any dissent on their
part is even more violent than that launched
against the infidels.

If the United States turns tail and runs, the terrorists and their ignorant, inflamed admirers, will dance in the streets proclaiming Allah to be greater than the 'Great Satan'. And there will be little to stop fanatical Islam from continuing terrorist activities to destroy all that is not Islam and bring more and more of the world into submission.

The men who believe a passive, concilatory response is the way to go had better be able to grow a long beard. And the women better start stitching up their burkas.
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Fedral
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2004 07:27 am
I think the proof that we can't back down from these people is what recently happened in Spain.

The bombs blew up in the day before the election...

The Spanish people lost courage and voted for the party that would run away from Iraq...

The new government pledges that it will pull out of Iraq...

A few weeks later, more bombs are found planted on the Spanish railway system.


These people are just encouraged by weakness. What they DO seem to understand is sheer, naked, unwavering FORCE.

Well, they will learn that we have more than enough force for all of them.



Just my 2 cents (pre tax)
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suzy
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2004 07:30 am
"If the United States turns tail and runs, the terrorists and their ignorant, inflamed admirers, will dance in the streets proclaiming Allah to be greater than the 'Great Satan'. And there will be little to stop fanatical Islam from continuing terrorist activities"
That's what I'm afraid of. Where will this end? And how? I think it would be a terrible idea for us to leave Iraq now, as well, but at the same time, I hate for us to stay there. Americans are getting slaughtered in a very unfair fight.
Going over there was a mistake. We probably should have picked them off from afar, if that was a pressing need, avoiding this inflamation of hostilities against our guys, who are sitting ducks.
You may think it's not a war against muslims, but I believe that the longer it goes on, the more they will see it that way.
Even with an Iraqui government, it aint gonna be easy for them. We've opened a big can of worms and it would be wrong for us to abandon the country before it is stabilized, which I can't see happening in the forseeable future.
It's also wrong for us to stay there. We shouldn't have gone in the first place.
But I see that the original post is really about Palestinians anyway. There, again, we should probably butt out. Israel is able to take care of herself, and we could do without the extra enemies. It's pretty much a civil war anyway. We didn't bring it on, Israel pretty much brought it on themselves, and it's their war to fight. Our constant butting in and defense of israelis over palestinians has left us in this dire situation to begin with, in my opinion. From an outside perspective, it probably looks as though we just don't give a hoot for Arabs and particulary Muslims.
Maybe we need a Muslim president here in the states.
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NeoGuin
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2004 07:38 am
Obvoiously Prager forget about Mr. Rudolph and "Justifiable Homicide".

But there's also the fact that US Fundys have managed to choose a less lethal but also more defeatable way to advance thier vision of "God's Country" called the Ballot Box.

If only I had the time to re-start the "Religious Liberty Network"
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2004 09:03 am
Suzy writes:
Quote:
"If the United States turns tail and runs, the terrorists and their ignorant, inflamed admirers, will dance in the streets proclaiming Allah to be greater than the 'Great Satan'. And there will be little to stop fanatical Islam from continuing terrorist activities"
That's what I'm afraid of. Where will this end? And how? I think it would be a terrible idea for us to leave Iraq now, as well, but at the same time, I hate for us to stay there. Americans are getting slaughtered in a very unfair fight.


I don't know how unfair it is unless the military is requiring undue restraint to keep civilian deaths to a minimum--this always results in more deaths among our military.

But I honestly believe this will end when good people everywhere rise up and say enough to the terrorists; when overwhelming public opinion is leveled at the terrorists instead of against whatever administration is in power in the U.S. at the time. The war is not just military but ideological. If they can turn the people against their leaders, they win.'

The old saw is true. All that is necessary for evil to prevail is for good people to stand by and do nothing. People with a sense of history know that appeasing dictators and terrorists only emboldens them and encourages them to redouble their efforts.
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littlek
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2004 09:06 am
There are many rich christian countries to support war-machines. Suicide bombers are coming from poor countries, or at least, poor people. To me, going to war for one's country and dying there is about the same as blowing oneself up for one's own beliefs.
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jackie
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2004 09:13 am
You have made a valid point, littleK
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Acquiunk
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2004 09:14 am
Fedral wrote:
The bombs blew up in the day before the election...
The Spanish people lost courage and voted for the party that would run away from Iraq...


The large majority of the Spanish electorate were opposed to the Iraq invasion prior to the bombing and the election. The bombing simply mobilized that population to vote their preexisting views in support of the political party that reflected those views. There was no" lost courage".
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2004 09:16 am
suzy wrote:
"If the United States turns tail and runs, the terrorists and their ignorant, inflamed admirers, will dance in the streets proclaiming Allah to be greater than the 'Great Satan'. And there will be little to stop fanatical Islam from continuing terrorist activities"
That's what I'm afraid of. Where will this end? And how? I think it would be a terrible idea for us to leave Iraq now, as well, but at the same time, I hate for us to stay there. Americans are getting slaughtered in a very unfair fight.
Going over there was a mistake. We probably should have picked them off from afar, if that was a pressing need, avoiding this inflamation of hostilities against our guys, who are sitting ducks.
You may think it's not a war against muslims, but I believe that the longer it goes on, the more they will see it that way.
Even with an Iraqui government, it aint gonna be easy for them. We've opened a big can of worms and it would be wrong for us to abandon the country before it is stabilized, which I can't see happening in the forseeable future.
It's also wrong for us to stay there. We shouldn't have gone in the first place.
But I see that the original post is really about Palestinians anyway. There, again, we should probably butt out. Israel is able to take care of herself, and we could do without the extra enemies. It's pretty much a civil war anyway. We didn't bring it on, Israel pretty much brought it on themselves, and it's their war to fight. Our constant butting in and defense of israelis over palestinians has left us in this dire situation to begin with, in my opinion. From an outside perspective, it probably looks as though we just don't give a hoot for Arabs and particulary Muslims.
Maybe we need a Muslim president here in the states.

I note that a recurring theme in this post is that we shouldn't do various things because it will make people angry at us. I, on the other hand, tend to believe that we should do what we think is right no matter who doesn't like it. I should state for the record that I don't think one should stir up a lot of trouble over really trivial issues, but I don't think that these issues are trivial.
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littlek
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2004 09:19 am
Thanks Jackie.
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Acquiunk
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2004 09:35 am
Brandon9000 wrote:
I, on the other hand, tend to believe that we should do what we think is right no matter who doesn't like it.


This is a theme that has run through many of your posts, and it is an argument based on power, that is the ability to force people to do something whether they want to or not based on your perceptions of correctness, your set of meanings and values. This is apposed to authority, which is the persuasion of some one to do something based on your own charismatic character, moral standing or status. It is an influence that is derived out of one's standing in a community. Which, in the issue we are discussing at the moment, is the world community.

Power is a very mercurial possession and it is lost as easily as it is gained. At one time the US had very little power out side of its own national domain. At the present it has over whelming world power, but we can assume that in the future it will not. On the basis of your argument, those future possessors of power will be just as justified in using that power to rearrange the US to suit their perceived standards of social and political arrangements, their standards of right and wrong as you assume at the moment the US can do to others. Your's is very foolish, not to say dangerous argument, for you are setting your own nation to be the victim at some future date of the very actions you now arrogate to the US.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2004 09:46 am
Acquiunk wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
I, on the other hand, tend to believe that we should do what we think is right no matter who doesn't like it.


This is a theme that has run through many of your posts, and it is an argument based on power, that is the ability to force people to do something whether they want to or not based on your perceptions of correctness, your set of meanings and values. This is apposed to authority, which is the persuasion of some one to do something based on your own charismatic character, moral standing or status. It is an influence that is derived out of one's standing in a community. Which, in the issue we are discussing at the moment, is the world community.

Power is a very mercurial possession and it is lost as easily as it is gained. At one time the US had very little power out side of its own national domain. At the present it has over whelming world power, but we can assume that in the future it will not. On the basis of your argument, those future possessors of power will be just as justified in using that power to rearrange the US to suit their perceived standards of social and political arrangements, their standards of right and wrong as you assume at the moment the US can do to others. Your's is very foolish, not to say dangerous argument, for you are setting your own nation to be the victim at some future date of the very actions you now arrogate to the US.

Interesting. However, I never mentioned power, I referred to doing what you think is right no matter what others think. Anyway, if you want to go over to Iraq and use your charismatic character to talk the warlords, clerics, etc. into going along with a constitutional democracy, I think that would be great.
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Acquiunk
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2004 10:01 am
Brandon, doing what you think is right and making it stick regardless is power. Authority, of which this nation used to possed in over abundance, is the ability to persuade people to do what you think is right. The mess in Iraq is a direct result of our loss of authority. People in that nation do not look to us as an example and look to others to set standards. If we still possed our moral standing (authority) those war lord and clerics would have no influence, and there was a time when simple our presence could turn people from the kinds of arguments and roll models presented by those characters, but not any more.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2004 10:08 am
I said I think that we should try to do what's right, even when it's unpopular. If you don't agree, then so be it.
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Acquiunk
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2004 10:13 am
Brandon, your argument is "might makes right", be careful for sooner or latter a bigger bully comes along. Generally when you least expect it.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2004 10:14 am
Tim McVeigh wasn't a christian?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2004 10:15 am
How about the two pilots of the two atom bombs during WWII?
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Miller
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2004 11:13 am
There aren't Jewish suicide bombers, are there?
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