Why no Christian suicide bombers? and other thoughts...

cicerone imposter wrote:

Tim McVeigh wasn't a christian?

I don't know if he was a Christian. But, it wasn't a suicide bomber. He didn't blow himself up. Confused

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Brandon says: "I note that a recurring theme in this post is that we shouldn't do various things because it will make people angry at us."

Uh, no, that's not the point. I am not that simplistic, are you? My point is sometimes we should mind our business, not everybody elses. Let people fight their own battles. Without the focus on Iraq, maybe we'd have BinLaden by now, too. HE was the threat.
The overarcing concern is justice, and right now, we aint doing so hot on that score, though I'm sure you'll disagree. A little honesty along with the justice would be nice, too. America is better than this!

Then Brandon says:
"I, on the other hand, tend to believe that we should do what we think is right no matter who doesn't like it."

Well, what WHO thinks is right? And right for whom?
Again you're missing an important point, Brandon.

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Acquiunk wrote:

Brandon, your argument is "might makes right", be careful for sooner or latter a bigger bully comes along. Generally when you least expect it.

What you have now said is an outright falsehood. I have not said "might makes right." I said that we should do what we think is right, even when it's unpopular.

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suzy wrote:

...Brandon says:
"I, on the other hand, tend to believe that we should do what we think is right no matter who doesn't like it."

Well, what WHO thinks is right? And right for whom?
Again you're missing an important point, Brandon.

Every individual should follow his own ideas of right and wrong, and so should every nation. Deny it all you like - your post contained a number of admonitions not to do certain things because of who might have been angered by them.

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Very interesting question, Fedral.
And, Miller's Jewish suicide bomber question, as well.

I have one more. I read onyx's thread about why some seem to feel they must attack Christianity. They are entitled to their opinions, certainly. However, it makes me wonder why Christianity is so often maligned, but Islam--which does encourage (or order, I'll bring a quote) it's followers to kill those who don't believe as they do--is so fervently protected....?

Trust me, *those people* don't need your protection. They'll be tying a tablecloth around your head if you're not careful.

*To save hobitbob time, I will say I cannot wait for my river of blurd.*

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Common sense isn't appeasement, Brandon.
Pro-active intervention. It's worked before.
You're not seeing the larger picture. Unfortunately, neither are many others.
Aquiunk is correct. "Authority, of which this nation used to posess in over abundance, is the ability to persuade people to do what you think is right. The mess in Iraq is a direct result of our loss of authority."
But again, this is about Palestine, right? How dare those people do whatever they think it takes to live free, right? That would be thinking too much like America thinks, and too much like Brandon, who says: "we should do what we think is right no matter who doesn't like it." Right?

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suzy wrote:

That would be thinking too much like America thinks, and too much like Brandon, who says: "we should do what we think is right no matter who doesn't like it." Right?

Actually, I had hoped it was clear that I meant that every person and every nation should do this - not just us.

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Brandon, that's a disguised call to anarchy under the mantra of rugged individualism.

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Craven de Kere wrote:

Brandon, that's a disguised call to anarchy under the mantra of rugged individualism.

Well, in some cases, I guess it may be best to subsume one's personal beliefs to the will of the larger group in the interests of stability, but I believe that generally in matters of great importance, a person or country should not refrain from doing what he/she/it thinks is right just because it's unpopular.

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Re: Why no Christian suicide bombers? and other thoughts...

Fedral wrote:

Wasn't Muslim terror in Spain supposed to end once Spain appeased the terrorists by voting in the socialists?

Pretty soon he'll go all the way and label liberals as communists Rolling Eyes

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Well, there are a lot of terrorists who would agree with you.

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If christians believed that blowing themselves and others up got them a ticket to paradise with endless virgins at their disposal, maybe there'd be a few. But I don't think that's their belief.

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suzy wrote:

So what are we to do?
Any attacks against them are seen as an attack against their religion, and that just makes them stronger.
Sigh

its called retaliation and DAMN their religion. We need to grow some balls and fight back.

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BW:

Which in many cases only gives them MORE fuel.

Of course, with Bush, that may be the idea!

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NeoGuin wrote:

BW:

Which in many cases only gives them MORE fuel.

Of course, with Bush, that may be the idea!

and we should cower, right?

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What you mean "we," BW . . . you out there putting it on the line in Iraq, or simply involved in an internet discussion?

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Setanta wrote:

What you mean "we," BW . . . you out there putting it on the line in Iraq, or simply involved in an internet discussion?

we= America. btw, I dont see you out there with guns blazing either, kid.
No, it is easier to sit at your computer and bitch about the current administration like every liberal does.

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BW:

Acting like a typical member of AM-Radio/FOX News(?) nation and not thinking of the consequences.

Perhaps we need to look at the factors that fuel fundamentalism.

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the basic conundrum of civilized society is 'how do we protect ourselves from those who will sink to 'any' depravity to have their way, without ourselves dropping to their level?

the answer is i think is, in this case, fairly obvious, but to most members of the 'industrialized nations' 'unthinkable'; we must share the resources of this planet equitably with those who have no hope.

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BWShooter wrote:

Setanta wrote:
What you mean "we," BW . . . you out there putting it on the line in Iraq, or simply involved in an internet discussion?

we= America. btw, I dont see you out there with guns blazing either, kid.
No, it is easier to sit at your computer and bitch about the current administration like every liberal does.

In the first place, i'm not a kid, and have not been since Lyndon Johnson was President. In the second, having volutarily enlisted in 1970, i served for three years, and the United States Army characterized that service as honorable. In the third, you have no authority to speak for all of America, which is the first reason why i questioned the use of the pronoun; in the fourth, you have no authority to speak to the situation of the troops on the line if you are not one of them, the second reason why i questioned the use of the pronoun. In the fifth, no, i'm not out there with guns blazing, because i have done my national service, and because i am too old to be accepted for military service. Sixth, in this thread, you have no evidence that i "sit at [my] computer and bitch"--athough i certainly do regularly criticize this administration, and use a computer to do so, it is no different than an apparent penchant on your part to sit around and bitch about those who disagree with you. Finally, your last statment constitutes both an inferential ad hominem, as well as a straw man argument . . . kid.

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