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Do we really have to take military action to Syria?

 
 
peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Sun 29 Sep, 2013 11:22 am
@peter jeffrey cobb,
yes I suppose a Nation can only have as many weapons of mass destruction as it is willing to be responsible for.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sun 29 Sep, 2013 06:05 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
Responding to yourself or did you forget to switch screen names?
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 29 Sep, 2013 06:18 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
It's my belief that Peter does that so that he is perceived as addressing the issue and not a person, Finn. But do note, he has addressed the issue, pointedly, many times whereas you avoid it as diligently as you can.
peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Sun 29 Sep, 2013 06:34 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Good point Smile
Any Nation out there would like to present a case on why they should not show complete responsibility for any weapon of mass destruction they posses?
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 30 Sep, 2013 10:26 pm
@JTT,
Oh yes, by your estimation I do, but then I don't give much of a fig for your estimation peter.
peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Tue 1 Oct, 2013 12:01 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
What would be an reasonable estimate for damage of life and property, that a weapon of mass destruction can do? Just establish a reasonable number, insure that weapon of mass destruction for that amount, then move on to the next weapon of mass destruction and do the same. Just to be sure that the Nation that posses the weapon of mass destruction can cover any damages in case it gets deployed, it might be an accident, people sometimes jump the gun or misjudge something, who knows what could happen. What we do know for sure is that Accidents happen. The Nation that wishes to own such a device should at least show it can handle the responsibility for it. Set aside an amount to cover any possible damage for each weapon of mass destruction. If it passes the amount the Nation is willing to take responsibility for, well then it is common sense that the Nation would be acting irresponsibly to own the weapon of mass destruction. Is there any Nation that would like to present a case on why they do not need to show full responsibility for a weapon of mass destruction that belongs to them?
peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Tue 1 Oct, 2013 03:27 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
Does anyone else have a better plan than that one, that will Peacefully disarm the World of weapons of mass destruction?
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 1 Oct, 2013 03:32 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
peter jeffrey cobb wrote:

Does anyone else have a better plan than that one, that will Peacefully disarm the World of weapons of mass destruction?


I must say, Peter,that I seriously doubt that "plan" would peacefully disarm the world of weapons of mass destruction.

Respectfully, the plan is not really a plan...it is a wish.
peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Tue 1 Oct, 2013 03:43 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Should we carry have car insurance even if we think we are good drivers?
Should any Nation have any responsibility if they use a weapon of mass destruction? If there is an accident how long should the victim of the accident wait for any assistance? What if the Nation that used the weapon of mass destruction don't have the funds assist the victim?
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 1 Oct, 2013 04:10 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
peter jeffrey cobb wrote:

Should we carry have car insurance even if we think we are good drivers?
Should any Nation have any responsibility if they use a weapon of mass destruction? If there is an accident how long should the victim of the accident wait for any assistance? What if the Nation that used the weapon of mass destruction don't have the funds assist the victim?


Your heart is in the right place, Peter...and I want to be on your side.

But the so-called plan is not really a plan...it is a wish.
peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Tue 1 Oct, 2013 04:24 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Well is a fairly simple thing. Simply getting all the Nations to agree that they should be responsible for their weapons of mass destruction. All Nations vote that they have to carry insurance for any liabilities while possessing a weapon of mass destruction. Why would a Nation oppose carrying liability for their weapon of mass destruction?
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 1 Oct, 2013 05:43 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
peter jeffrey cobb wrote:

Well is a fairly simple thing. Simply getting all the Nations to agree that they should be responsible for their weapons of mass destruction. All Nations vote that they have to carry insurance for any liabilities while possessing a weapon of mass destruction. Why would a Nation oppose carrying liability for their weapon of mass destruction?


It has stopped being a wish...and has become a fantasy.

This is not going to happen.

JTT
 
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Reply Tue 1 Oct, 2013 05:50 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
It has stopped being a wish...and has become a fantasy.

This is not going to happen.


It could happen, Frank, if the US were to follow the rule of law. Sadly, that has never been the case, save for, as always, propaganda purposes.

Why do you wish for the US to be a criminal nation, when it could be,

Quote:
If certain acts of violation of treaties are crimes, they are crimes whether the United States does them or whether Germany does them, and we are not prepared to lay down a rule of criminal conduct against others which we would not be willing to have invoked against us.
International Conference on Military Trials, London, 1945, Dept. of State Pub.No. 3080 (1949), p.330.




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peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Tue 1 Oct, 2013 06:01 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Would you oppose it? Could you give a reason why you would oppose it?
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 1 Oct, 2013 06:06 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
peter jeffrey cobb wrote:

Would you oppose it? Could you give a reason why you would oppose it?


I don't oppose it, Peter. But I think it is little more than wishful thinking.

If you were to propose world peace...with everyone getting along with one another and no wars...I would not oppose it.

I would find it naive.
peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Tue 1 Oct, 2013 06:22 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Ohh World Peace. True, well this should be about reducing or eliminating weapons of mass destruction from the Worlds Nations. Doing it in a Peace full way. Nations will still have to work out their differences, they will just have to find other ways besides using weapons of mass destruction to accomplish that Smile
JTT
 
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Reply Tue 1 Oct, 2013 06:33 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
Quote:
Nations will still have to work out their differences, they will just have to find other ways besides using weapons of mass destruction to accomplish that


The US and its allies came up with a grand plan, Peter.

Quote:
We must make clear to the Germans that the wrong for which their fallen leaders are on trial is not that they lost the war, but that they started it. And we must not allow ourselves to be drawn into a trial of the causes of the war, for our position is that no grievances or policies will justify resort to aggressive war. It is utterly renounced and condemned as an instrument of policy.
Statement by Justice Jackson on War Trials Agreement (August 12, 1945).

The privilege of opening the first trial in history for crimes against the peace of the world imposes a grave responsibility. The wrongs which we seek to condemn and punish have been so calculated, so malignant, and so devastating, that civilization cannot tolerate their being ignored, because it cannot survive their being repeated. That four great nations, flushed with victory and stung with injury stay the hand of vengeance and voluntarily submit their captive enemies to the judgment of the law is one of the most significant tributes that Power has ever paid to Reason.
Opening Address to the International Military Tribunal at the Nuremberg Trials (November 10, 1945).

If we can cultivate in the world the idea that aggressive war-making is the way to the prisoner's dock rather than the way to honors, we will have accomplished something toward making the peace more secure.
Opening Address to the International Military Tribunal at the Nuremberg Trials (November 10, 1945).
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 1 Oct, 2013 06:59 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
In theory this may seem like a good idea, but on a practical note, who is going to enforce it, and just because a nation could pay reparations doesn't mean they would or that it wouldn't be worth their while.

It can't hurt to surface an idea like yours but it's really nothing more than a pipe dream.
peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Tue 1 Oct, 2013 07:03 pm
@JTT,
ooh?
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peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Tue 1 Oct, 2013 07:10 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Good point !! They should appoint a department in the UN to handle any claims and distribute the funds as necessary. The Nation that the weapon of mass destruction belongs to should have their funds set aside before any accidents happen. The Nation should not be in control of that fund. The Court should be the only one authorized to use that fund. It does not make sense for someone in a car accident to have control on weather or not they will pay for damages in an accident. A ruling court should be the one making the decision.
 

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