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What Trayvon's Family Risks in a Civil Case Against Zimmerman

 
 
Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sat 27 Jul, 2013 05:12 pm
@Rockhead,
Rockhead wrote:

aren't you precious...

What a powerful, logical argument. My point, is that you don't actually know anything about who started the fight and have no ability whatever to factually contradict Zimmerman's story. It's just this simple, if Zimmerman started the fight, then it's his fault and he ought to have been found guilty. On the other hand, if his story is true, then he had a right to use a gun to preserve his existence, and it's a good thing he had it with him.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Sat 27 Jul, 2013 05:14 pm
@Brandon9000,
my point is that we can't prove it because he killed the kid. the unarmed kid.

this law allows that. and he can lie and we have to accept it.

that bothers me...

so does playing cute with words.
Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sat 27 Jul, 2013 05:20 pm
@Rockhead,
Rockhead wrote:

my point is that we can't prove it because he killed the kid. the unarmed kid.

this law allows that. and he can lie and we have to accept it.

that bothers me...

so does playing cute with words.

If the unarmed kid attacked him and was beating him, as he claims, like every creature, he had the right to defend himself.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Sat 27 Jul, 2013 05:20 pm
@Brandon9000,
if.

as he claimed.

I have a problem there...
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firefly
 
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Reply Sat 27 Jul, 2013 06:01 pm
@Brandon9000,
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So, what, now you're saying that a photo taken at the scene has been doctored? Maybe the red stuff on his face was ketchup?

No, I'm not saying the photo with the blood was doctored. I don't doubt he got punched in the nose and had a nose bleed. But that picture is misleading. It was taken with someone's cell phone, and the angle at which it was taken gives a distorted picture of Zimmerman's nose, making it appear out-of-shape and swollen.

If you look at the police photo, taken right after the blood was cleaned off his face, you can see that his nose appears to be quite normal--the midline is straight, and there is no swelling. In fact, Zimmerman doesn't really look like he was in a fight, and he definitely does not look beaten up or punched up.
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1080708.1337391950!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/zimmerman-horizontal-mugshot.jpg

He had the right to defend himself with equal force. In the state I live in, his use of a gun would not be justified, given his relatively minor injuries and the fact the other person was unarmed. He took a gun to a fist fight. Nothing prevented Zimmerman from fighting back without using his gun, but he seems to have made no effort to respond with equal force--Martin had no injuries other than the gunshot--despite the fact that Zimmerman had a year's worth of formal fight training at a gym, and Martin, at 5'11" and 158 pounds was not a physically overwhelming opponent for Zimmerman.

So I find his credibility about the need to use the gun quite suspect. I think in a great many other states he would have been found guilty of using excessive force, and probably convicted of manslaughter.

It is also possible that Martin punched Zimmerman in the nose because he saw Zimmerman's gun--Zimmerman may have had his hand on his gun as he approached Martin, just like a "real cop" would, Martin may then have punched him once in self defense, and what followed wasn't a fight, with punches being thrown, but rather a struggle over the gun. That would explain why Zimmerman showed evidence of only one punch, and Martin showed no evidence of being punched at all--they were struggling over the gun.
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Every creature has the right to try to preserve its existence.

And that included Trayvon Martin that night--he had the right to defend himself from someone who appeared threatening to him. And an armed stranger, who had been following him around in the dark, would certainly appear threatening.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sat 27 Jul, 2013 09:02 pm
But he didn't have the right to a pre-emptive attack, which is what Zimmerman claims happened.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Sat 27 Jul, 2013 09:29 pm
@Brandon9000,
that's what it all boils down to:

"which is what Zimmerman claims happened. "

either you find him credible or you don't.

I don't...
Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sun 28 Jul, 2013 01:04 am
@Rockhead,
Rockhead wrote:

that's what it all boils down to:

"which is what Zimmerman claims happened. "

either you find him credible or you don't.

I don't...

Correct, but the jury did. As for myself, I don't know what really happened, but generally, I stop following a case when the verdict (and sentence, if such applies) is read. However, I will absolutely resist any suggestion that people don't deserve access to the means to defend themselves.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 28 Jul, 2013 03:25 am
@Brandon9000,
Sorry there was not a mark on the young hoodlum body but for the gun shot so let see Zimmerman attacked Trayvon first but did not leave a mark on him in so doing and somehow he was then knocked down and Trayvon begin to beat the hell out of him from being on top!!!!!!!!!

No of course we do not know who the hell attacked who first,,,,,BULLSHIT.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 28 Jul, 2013 05:22 am
@Rockhead,
Rockhead wrote:
what are the key ingredients for angel dust?
skittles?

In the case of Trayvon's favored recipe:

a) Robitussin DM
b) AriZona Watermelon Fruit Juice
c) Skittles


Rockhead wrote:
you're a buffoon...

Your name-calling does little to disguise your ignorance.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 28 Jul, 2013 05:23 am
@Rockhead,
Rockhead wrote:
not if he started the fight...

Do you have any evidence that Zimmerman started the fight?


Rockhead wrote:
then it's only legal in Florida.
if your victim can't speak up...

Starting a fight with someone and then shooting them is not legal in Florida.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 28 Jul, 2013 05:23 am
@Rockhead,
Rockhead wrote:
that's what it all boils down to:
"which is what Zimmerman claims happened. "
either you find him credible or you don't.
I don't...

No, what it boils down to is: Do you have any evidence proving Zimmerman's guilt?

You don't.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 28 Jul, 2013 06:18 am
@oralloy,
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No, what it boils down to is: Do you have any evidence proving Zimmerman's guilt?


An evidence proving him guilt beyond a reasonable doubt beside.
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firefly
 
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Reply Sun 28 Jul, 2013 08:05 am
@BillRM,
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Sorry there was not a mark on the young hoodlum body but for the gun shot...

Martin was not a "hoodlum"--He had no criminal record, he had no history of violence or aggressive behaviors, or of attacks on people.
It was Zimmerman who had been in court on a domestic violence charge, and a charge of attacking a law enforcement officer, and who had been court-ordered to take anger management classes.

The lack of any mark on Martin's body, beside the gunshot, confirms that Zimmerman made no attempt to defend himself with equal force. He fired his gun, not because he had to, but because he wanted to. And the only one who could refute his questionably credible version of events is dead.

When even a juror claims, "Zimmerman got away with murder," no one should be proclaiming this man "innocent".
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and Trayvon begin to beat the hell out of him...


Here's what Zimmerman looked like in the police station the night of the shooting. This man does not look like anyone tried "to beat the hell out of him." His very minor injuries don't even require a Band-aid.
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1080708.1337391950!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/zimmerman-horizontal-mugshot.jpg

In a civil suit, a preponderance of the evidence will likely show that George Zimmerman, through his reckless and impulsive behaviors, caused the wrongful death of Trayvon Martin.
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Sun 28 Jul, 2013 08:06 am
@oralloy,
buffoon is a descriptive term for folks that think they are smarter than everyone else, yet constantly show their ignorance by arguing like little girls.

if you know of a better one, please share it with us...
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 28 Jul, 2013 08:11 am
@Rockhead,
Quote:
buffoon is a descriptive term for folks that think they are smarter than everyone else, yet constantly show their ignorance by arguing like little girls.


This from a man who do not wish to honor a jury verdict and approved of death threats!!!!!!!!!!!!!
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 28 Jul, 2013 08:31 am
http://www.bartcop.com/trayvon-gop-2.gif
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Sun 28 Jul, 2013 08:50 am
@BillRM,
billy...

I never approved of any death threats.

you need to go back and reread some things...

kinda like you and kiddie-porn.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 28 Jul, 2013 09:13 am
@Rockhead,
Quote:
I never approved of any death threats.

you need to go back and reread some things...


Sure you did as when I was complaining about all the death threats that the government is not doing a damn thing about your comment was Zimmerman made his bed now let him lie in it.

An then when I ask how you feel about all the threats to Zimmerman family, his lawyers and the jury members and their children you did not reply.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 28 Jul, 2013 09:15 am
@Rockhead,
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kinda like you and kiddie-porn.


Do not forget I am also a drunk, a drunk driver, a racist, a rapist and of course a pedophile all rolled into one.

The anti-Christ come to earth it would seems.
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