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What Trayvon's Family Risks in a Civil Case Against Zimmerman

 
 
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 25 Jul, 2013 09:59 pm
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:
Do you have some idea as to how that would work? I mean, if that's right, then they shouldn't even be talking about civil suits.

My understanding of the process is that the Martins can sue. But if they do, Zimmerman's lawyers can ask the judge for an immediate ruling that it was self defense.

If the judge rules that it was not self defense, then the lawsuit can proceed. But if the judge rules that it was self defense, then Zimmerman is declared immune to all civil suits related to the killing, and the Martins will have to pay his legal bills.

I am pretty sure it's just his civil legal bills they would have to pay, and not anything related to the criminal trial.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jul, 2013 08:08 am
@oralloy,
Seems reasonable. One way or other, the Martins have no beef against George Zimmerman. They were raising the kid to be a hoodlum and they should not be shocked or dismayed when he gets killed doing hoodlum ****.
firefly
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jul, 2013 08:57 am
@gungasnake,
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the Martins have no beef against George Zimmerman. They were raising the kid to be a hoodlum and they should not be shocked or dismayed when he gets killed doing hoodlum ****..

Yup, walking home from a convenience store with a bag of candy and a soft drink, and yakking on a cell phone with a friend while doing that, is real "hoodlum ****." Rolling Eyes
Neighborhoods all over the country are terrorized by shoppers returning home with groceries, and doing similar "hoodlum ****". Rolling Eyes

The vigilante **** that night was the real problem, not anything Trayvon Martin was doing. He was on his way home to watch a basketball game on TV.

When one of the jurors who just acquitted him says, "George Zimmerman got away with murder," I think we can expect a legitimate wrongful death suit against him from Martin's parents.

And the homeowners association of that gated community has already paid Martin's parents a $1 million+ settlement because their son wasn't safe in that community that night--he wasn't safe from George Zimmerman.

Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jul, 2013 09:11 am
@firefly,
Thug **** is attacking people for no reason. Fighting for the sake of fighting is thug ****. You always seem to forget that Martin was fighting with Zimmerman and it wasn't a fight that Zimmerman started. Thugs fight people for looking at them wrong or saying something to them. Martin was a thug who was kicked out of school for having stolen property and drugs in his locker. Martin was a thug based on the text messages that were found on his cell phone talking about how much he liked to fight. This is not normal behavior for kids, this is normal behavior for thugs. Wait for the civil suit to come out, and when it does all of that evidence will come out, and you guys will finally see Martin for the thug he was.

Violence was met with more violence.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jul, 2013 09:24 am
@gungasnake,
what gunga really meant was...

"Seems reasonable. One way or other, the Martins have no beef against George Zimmerman. They were raising the kid to be black and they should not be shocked or dismayed when he gets killed doing black ****.
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jul, 2013 09:28 am
@Baldimo,
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nd when it does all of that evidence will come out, and you guys will finally see Martin for the thug he was.


Sorry no matter what the facts are the Fireflies of the world live in their own universe and the evidences of what kind of person Trayvon and Zimmerman happen to be is already out there and it does not matter.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jul, 2013 09:33 am
@Rockhead,
Black **** so you are claiming that being a hood is a black thing or that the rest of us feel that way?

Sorry a young man who would attacked someone else for annoying him is a hoodlum no matter the skin color of that hoodlum skin.

In that regard Trayvon and a white skinhead have a lot in common.
firefly
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jul, 2013 09:41 am
@Baldimo,
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You always seem to forget that Martin was fighting with Zimmerman and it wasn't a fight that Zimmerman started.

I do think it was a fight that Zimmerman started. And all the evidence suggests that Martin threw only a single punch, in self-defense, and then Zimmerman shot him in the heart. The last thing Rachel Jeantel heard Martin say (to Zimmerman) was, "Get off me," suggesting Zimmerman grabbed him or grabbed at him--and that was after having stalked him in the dark, without ever identifying himself or his motives, to Martin. Zimmerman provoked the justifiable defensive reaction from Martin, and that reaction was not "an attack".

This is how Zimmerman looked that night after that alleged "fight"--he didn't even need bandaids. He's not beaten up, his nose is straight and does not appear broken, or even swollen, the two tiny scrapes on the back of his head account for a little dried blood, but his head isn't bruised, no goose-eggs, no swellings, no evidence of "pounding". There's no evidence he was "beaten-up" or "attacked" by anyone. Martin got to defend himself with one punch, and then Zimmerman shot him.
http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/opinionzone/files/2012/05/zimmermanrotate.jpg

I am looking forward to the civil suit. Like O.J., I think Zimmerman will be found guilty in a wrongful death suit.
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jul, 2013 09:50 am
@BillRM,
"a young man who would attacked someone else for annoying him"

you are assume facts not in evidence again, billy.
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jul, 2013 09:54 am
@Rockhead,
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"a young man who would attacked someone else for annoying him"

you are assume facts not in evidence again, billy.


I am going with the evidence, logic and the judgment of a jury what are you going by?

If Trayvon had not turn and attacked Zimmerman he would had safety reach his home and no one would had hear of either one of them.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jul, 2013 09:57 am
@BillRM,
we don't know that he turned and attacked Zimmerman.

you are assuming he did...

firefly
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jul, 2013 09:59 am
@Rockhead,
Not only that, it meant that Zimmerman was still pursuing him..
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jul, 2013 10:01 am
@Rockhead,
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we don't know that he turned and attacked Zimmerman.

you are assuming he did...


I am assuming that tomorrow the sun will raise in the East also.

By all the evidence and logic and commonsense and the judgment of a jury Trayvon attacked Zimmerman not the other way around.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jul, 2013 10:02 am
@BillRM,
I think logic and common sense are not your strong suit...
firefly
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jul, 2013 10:07 am
@BillRM,
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By all the evidence and logic and commonsense and the judgment of a jury Trayvon attacked Zimmerman not the other way around.


You mean the jury that included the woman who is now saying, "George Zimmerman got away with murder"?

Or the evidence, like the photo I just posted, of Zimmerman that night, that clearly shows he displayed no signs of having been "attacked" or of having been beaten up.

How about Zimmerman's past behaviors of following people...

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Some of Zimmerman’s neighbors said he had a history of being overly aggressive and followed people whom he thought appeared suspicious back to their homes.

At an emergency homeowner’s association meeting on March 1, days after the killing, “one man was escorted out because he openly expressed his frustration because he had previously contacted the Sanford Police Department about Zimmerman approaching him and even coming to his home,” a resident who spoke on the condition of anonymity told HuffPost. “It was also made known that there had been several complaints about George Zimmerman and his tactics" in his neighborhood watch role....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/30/trayvon-martin-case-george-zimmerman_n_1392591.html
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jul, 2013 10:15 am
@Rockhead,
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I think logic and common sense are not your strong suit...


That your opinion but in this case my opinion is shared by the six women who hear the case.
firefly
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jul, 2013 10:27 am
@BillRM,
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but in this case my opinion is shared by the six women who hear the case

Not exactly, BillRM...

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A juror said in an interview made available Thursday that she feels neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman got away with murder for fatally shooting unarmed teen Trayvon Martin...
Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jul, 2013 10:43 am
@firefly,
1 person out of 6 does not a majority make. If she felt that strongly, why did she cave to pressure from the other 5?
firefly
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jul, 2013 10:55 am
@Baldimo,
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If she felt that strongly, why did she cave to pressure from the other 5?

Because 9 straight hours of that kind of pressure is hard to take, and because she was genuinely confused on the correct interpretation of the law. And she seems not to have been the only one who "caved", judging by what she's said, although she may have been the strongest hold-out.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 26 Jul, 2013 11:32 am
@Baldimo,
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1 person out of 6 does not a majority make. If she felt that strongly, why did she cave to pressure from the other 5?


With all the death threats the government is not doing anything about who know for sure if she is expressing an honest opinion now or just trying to reduce the mob angry directed at her.

Next a personal desire to punish someone for the killing without a legal basic to do so does not mean that she in the end did not come to the conclusion that it was self defense.

All in all my impression is the lady is not too bright or not very honest or both as he got away with murder statement is very strange for someone who voted the other way.
 

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