The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

@hawkeye10,

Gun cock enthusiasm.

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@engineer,

And no blood on Martin. NONE>

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

It doesn't matter what you think.

It doesn't matter what any of us think. But you seem eager to repeat this point specifically to me. I hope it makes you feel better about yourself, because to me your repeatedly-attempted put-downs are mildly annoying.

cicerone imposter wrote:

Zimmerman refused further treatment.

1) The suggested "further treatment" was about the potentially-broken nose, not the skull or the brain.
2) So what?

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@Thomas,

Zimmerman could have determined that by himself. He doesn't need other people making suggestions "after the fact" and during trial.

People determine what medical assistance they need all by themselves for good or bad.

Your opinions goes nowhere.

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@Thomas,

If Zimmerman had a subdural hematoma, as a result of that head injury, believe me, he'd know it by now.

Why keep discussing hypothetical injuries that never materialized?

Closing arguments are tomorrow. This is going to the jury either tomorrow or Friday.

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@Thomas,

Quote:

The suggested "further treatment" was about the potentially-broken nose, not the skull or the brain.

Since she saw a need after examination for further treatment for his nose, then after examination she must not have seen a need for further treatment and/or test for his brain or skull. A pretty good indication that the abrasions on his head were minor or not bad enough for further treatment.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Your opinions goes nowhere.

To repeat, nobody's opinions do. But at least I don't spew false, unsubstantiated facts into this thread about what this witness said --- unlike you. And at least I don't resort to personal put-downs when someone points out my mistakes on facts to me. That's more than you can honestly say about yourself --- on both points.

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@revelette,

But Thomas knows better about hypotheticals. After all, hypotheticals are imaginary.

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@revelette,

I think Zimmerman refused to have a CAT scan, which would have been the appropriate diagnostic test.

It makes no difference, he's obviously fine.

And it's unrelated to the trial and whether he is guilty of unlawfully killing Martin..

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@Thomas,

You continue to contradict yourself. If you know your hypotheticals are irrelevant, why bother?

We're trying to base our discussions on what was presented during the trial.

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@cicerone imposter,

You get testy when people don't agree with you.

He simply showed your statement about what was said about Zimmermans injuries was false.

Why do you always have to be a dick about things?

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@revelette,

revelette wrote:

Since she saw a need after examination for further treatment for his nose, then after examination she must not have seen a need for further treatment and/or test for his brain or skull. A pretty good indication that the abrasions on his head were minor or not bad enough for further treatment.

1) An internal injury to the brain can be major enough to make you see stars, feel stunned, make you reasonably fear for your life at the time you suffer them --- and yet be minor enough you can recover from it overnight. What's relevant to this case is the state of Zimmerman's brain at the moment he shot --- but Folgate did not investigate that.

2) "A pretty good indication"? I have an even better indication for you: Instead of descending into speculations like this, why don't you just read what Folgate actually said on cross-examination? She stated clearly that external injuries like the ones she saw can be consistent with a concussion to the brain.

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@Thomas,

Not all concussions to the head are as onerous as you seem to think.

People who plays sports suffer much greater and frequent concussions without what you want Zimmerman to have suffered.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

You continue to contradict yourself. If you know your hypotheticals are irrelevant, why bother?

Seriously? The hypothetical was Revelette's schoolyard story. I just played along with it. If you have a problem with this, you must have reached the end of your rope. "Why bother?" That's a good keyword. Starting right now, I will stop bothering with you. By now it's abundantly clear that your project in this thread is to antagonize people, not to add anything helpful to the discussion.

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@Thomas,

And you believe your hypotheticals that has nothing to do with this trial is? LOL

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@cicerone imposter,

From ABC News.

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But the report also shows Zimmerman declined hospitalization the night of the shooting, and then declined the advice of his doctor to make a follow-up appointment with an ear nose and throat doctor.

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@firefly,

firefly wrote:

Why keep discussing hypothetical injuries that never materialized?

And while we're at it, why don't you stop beating your husband?

Your question implies a factual statement that is untrue --- or at the very least, unsubstantiated. Zimmerman could have suffered trauma to the brain that was bad enough at the time to stun him, to make him reasonably fear for his life, and thus to justify his use of force against Martin. That it left no lasting effect when Folgate examined Zimmerman 15 hours later does not refute that.

Now, several correspondents in this thread claimed that he couldn't have suffered such trauma, and that Folgate's testimony shows that. So I quoted the letter of Folgate's testimony. And lo and behold: it does not show that. She says so herself. Other correspondents can speak for themselves, but that's why I keep discussing --- not to mention quoting --- Folgate's testimony.

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@Thomas,

And his body could have been taken over by aliens and they made him pull the trigger....

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@DrewDad,

I'm sorry DrewDad, I did not mean to ignore you. But I think I have addressed your points in my replies to Revelette and Firefly.

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@DrewDad,

DrewDad wrote:

And his body could have been taken over by aliens and they made him pull the trigger....

Now this is where we enter the realm of unreasonable doubt.

By contrast, it is well within the realm of reasonable doubt to hypothesize that Zimmerman suffered a concussion that stunned him for a few minutes, but did not require further medical attention when Folgate examined him the next afternoon.

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