The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

This whole "casing houses" meme is total bullshit and profiling at its worst. Oralloy and snaKKKe and all the other Zimmerman apologists should join the 21st century. What Trayvon was doing was absolutely typical behavior for what we KNOW he was actually doing: TALKING ON HIS CELLPHONE, and onl,y talking on his cellphone. If oralloy and snaKKKe had ever actually looked at people on their phones, if Zimmerman had ever looked at people on phones rather than immediately leaped to totally mistaken conclusions which led to his undeservedly killing Trayvon, they would know. I've seen enough people on phones to know. You walk slowly and erratically, you stop and stare at anything bright, or moving, you gesture as if you were holding a face-to-face conversation, you stop and stare at nothing, you stop and stare at something you have absolutely no interest in. You don't interact with someone who's actually there, tho you may stare at them fixedly. You talk to the empty air. If you have a Bluetooth headset, as Trayvon did, you don't have that telltale hand to your ear. In short, ten years ago, people would have thought you were crazy, you're "not behaving normally",
you're "casing houses". NO. You're on a cellphone. Your body is on autopilot while your brain is far away. That's why people push to ban cellphones in cars, because you're not fully in your car while you're talking. When you rearend someone it's because your brain was in Peoria and your body wasn't.

Trayvon was profiled and killed because he was on his phone, which oralloy and snaKKKe et al would realize if they ever paid any attention to the real world and the way people actually behave in 2012 (and 2013). Of course they'd rather live in their fantasies.

Sorry the attacked on Zimmerman alone proved beyond question that he was 100 percents correct that Trayvon should be check out by the police.

But whether he was right or wrong does not grant Trayvon any license to attacked Zimmerman or does not take away Zimmerman right to defend himself from such an attack.

The person hundred percents responsible for Trayvon death was Trayvon no matter how you look at it and a jury agree with that judgment.

No, the jury did not say that at all. They thought the law they had to follow was flawed. They did not exonerate Zimmerman's actions, they did not feel they had enough evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, but they did NOT say Zimmerman was innocent.

And it is purely supposition that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman. Zimmerman hardly counts as an impartial observer, and as firefly tells you, the investigating officer felt Zimmerman's account was "exaggerated"--look at his "injuries". If we're talking about odds, as oralloy does, then the odds are that Zimmerman accosted Trayvon and Trayvon was fully justified in any action he took because he feared, rightly, for his life.

So far only two out of six had spoken so how do you know how the jury feel?

Second, most if not all legal experts agree before the trial that the case was as weak as a case can be and it have nothing to do with the SGY law.



By all the evidence known support Zimmerman in every details including not a damn mark on Trayvon beyond the one gun shot wound where Zimmerman body bear witness of an assault.

Sorry dream on once more it is Trayvon that was 100 percent responsible for his own death.

Your plea for psychiatric help is definitely warranted, gunga, tho I'm not sure Lucy Van Pelt would provide the therapy you so desperately need. I'm sure someone here can recommend some more qualified therapist who would do you more good.

by being black in the wrong neighborhood...

Like this guy.



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BECAUSE two have spoken, Bill.
You're right, not a mark on Trayvon. NONE of Zimmerman's blood or DNA on him, no evidence he punched Zimmerman or somehow held his head and whacked it on the sidewalk, which, if it had happened, would have left residue on Trayvon. It didn't.

You got to laugh as within minutes of the shooting a picture was taken of Zimmerman wounds and there was only two people involved so Zimmerman wounds got there by magic it would seems.

You are not helping yourself with the bullshit. Trayvon attacked Zimmerman and Zimmerman legally defense himself end of story.

The only one totally responsible for Trayvon death was Trayvon.

http://able2know.org/topic/216816-184#post-5413066

Black white red green it does not matter if Trayvon had not attacked Zimmerman he would be enjoying his 18 years on this planet right now and no one would had hear of either gentlemen unless Trayvon had gone on to attacked someone else that dare to annoyed him.

Given your insightful view of the Martin killing, it would seem imperative for every black person in America to be sure they are adequately armed.

People like you show that it's more important to have bullets than brains. And it's time to stop with all paranoia and fantasies--it's time for black people to become really armed and dangerous so all you frightened inadequate white guys will really have something to worry about.

What sort of guns would you suggest that black people begin arming themselves with?

Obviously, they need the most effective handguns, to be carried at all times, since they have to protect themselves from all that black on black crime you've been pointing out, not to mention the non-black vigilantes they might run into on the way back from the store, who might profile them as being up to no good.

And assault rifles would be needed as well, given that the government is threatening their rights--including their right to vote--so stocking up on high-power firearms and large magazine clips is essential. Blacks have to be prepared to defend their Constitutional rights.

If guns make for a polite society, then blacks need guns to get polite and respectful treatment. Blacks need guns so they can Stand Their Ground.

And it's time for a black NRA president, so this message can go out to every black person in America--"You need to have a gun."

You've shown the black community just how virulent and vibrant racism still is. And blacks must be armed to protect themselves....

And that's because he didn't have a gun. Trayvon needed a gun. Thanks for pointing that out, BillRM.

All black people need to be be fully armed at all times...that's what you've been pointing out.

There was a witness who testified at the trial that he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman doing an "mma style ground and pound".

What you guys all seem to miss this part of the issue. Poor innocent Martin was just walking along and Zimmerman shot him. Never a mention of the attack and when it is brought up you guys still seem to make Zimmerman the guilty party.

Zimmerman wouldn't have shot Martin if Martin hadn't attacked him and tried to beat his head into the ground. Remember these was a witness who saw this taking place. I'm willing to bet that if the positions were reversed on the race issue the same people who support Zimmerman would support a black guy who was attacked by a white kid. This is why we state it isn't a matter of race because I would support anyone who was in a self-defense shooting who was attacked. Roderick Scott is a somewhat similar case. Although he had no marks on him and there was no physical confrontation, it was still a self-defense shooting and did not involve race other than the 2 people were involved were of different races.

But Zimmerman would have stopped following him, and menacing him, if Martin had pulled out a gun...

Martin had to use his fist because he didn't have a gun. He was inadequately equipped to Stand His Ground.

For their own self-protection, all blacks, including black minors, should be fully armed at all times...there is no way of knowing when they might be profiled and stalked by a psychologically unstable armed vigilante, and they should be equally armed.

I know when you are desperate, you resort to hypotheticals. I won't argue with the fact that people should be armed regardless of their race. The problem is Martin was underage and couldn't own a handgun, most states you have to be 21 just to buy the ammo for a handgun. So Martin having a gun would have been another whole issue.

Would you have supported Martin if he just shot Zimmerman instead of punching him? How would that story have worked out. Martin shoots Zimmerman for following him, do you think that would have worked out better for Martin? At that point he would be going to jail for murder as there was no reason for him to shoot Zimmerman.

Such an event of a black teenager shooting a Latin man would not have reach the level of the national news either.

Sharpton and his like could not had used it to promote their own issues nor could the likes of Firefly for that matter.

It not the supporters of self defense that are the ones who care about race on this website but the supporters of Trayvon.

Then the laws should be changed to allow underaged children to carry handguns. Why should they be at the mercy of armed adults? Or even other minors who have guns?

Children like Trayvon Martin need to be able to protect themselves from psychologically unstable armed vigilantes who profile and stalk them in the dark. How do you know that Zimmerman didn't intend to kill him all along? Killing someone in response to a punch in the nose suggests he wanted to kill him. Had Martin had a gun, Zimmerman, the coward, would have fled.

School children, like those in Newtown, or Columbine, need to be able to protect themselves. Children, like those in the Aurora Theater, need to be able to protect themselves.

David's told us he had a gun as a minor. It helped him to feel safe. He recommends it.

Children have 2nd Amendment rights--that's the American way.

Your talk of children owning guns is non-sense and you know it. What ever point you are trying to prove sounds stupid and immature. Do we allow all adult rules to apply to children then?

If you really want the laws changed to allow children to own guns then so be it. Did you see the story of the 3 kids who beat up the other kid on the school bus? In a situation like that, the beaten kid would have been dead instead of just beaten up. If they were not able to control themselves on a school bus with an adult just feet away, how do you think they would have reacted with guns? Just as children are not allowed to smoke or drink until they reach adulthood, they should not be allowed to own guns on their own. Now you could have their parents purchase said guns but they wouldn't be allowed to have them on their person unless accompanied by an adult.