The State of Florida vs George Zimmerman: The Trial

@MontereyJack,

You need to watch O'Mara's closing arguments, all three hours worth. Between the time GZ lost sight of Martin and the time of the encounter when Martin got killed trying to murder GZ, four minutes had passed. As O'Mara notes, Martin could have covered nearly a mile in that space of time and he only needed to cover some three blocks and he was safely home. The fact that he died a good bit closer to where GZ had parked his car (which GZ was returning to) than to the house three blocks down the street in which he was staying strongly supports the idea that he had in fact circled back to attack GZ, and does not in any way support a claim that GZ had tracked him down.

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NY Times article describes the scene:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/04/02/us/the-events-leading-to-the-shooting-of-trayvon-martin.html?ref=us

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http://peacemoonbeam.typepad.com/bighairynews/

http://peacemoonbeam.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451af9f69e20192ac80c567970d-500wi

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SAN DIEGO (BHN) - A San Diego, California school district has voted unanimously to initiate “Trayvon Martin dialogues” among middle and high school students so they can "speak honestly about their identification with Trayvon Martin."

The vote has prompted a backlash from hundreds of parents angry at what they see as the school's encouraging their children to identify with the violent, drug-abusing, thieving, hoodie-wearing Martin.

"Look, it's bad enough these Godless morons are doing everything in their power to turn my kids gay, now they need to be thugs, too?" asked one angry mother. "Here's a suggestion, how about they teach them how to write a legible freaking sentence?"

Authorities are warning the community to soon be on the lookout for "stoned geeky white kids in hoodies" committing crimes.

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@gungasnake,

Why was Zimmerman outside of his vehicle?

To get an address in a place that has only 3 streets? Laughing

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@gungasnake,

http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af203/middlefingermom/0a0a0a0a0MFM-LiarLiar-1.jpg

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http://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-production/images/39978/small/placard.png?1373582038

And amazingly, Martin had none of Zimmerman's blood on his hands, not even under his fingernails, his DNA was not found on Zimmerman's gun, Zimmerman had no signs of being punched, beyond a single blow to his nose, an injury that required no medical treatment....

No physical evidence to support Zimmerman's version of events....

And a dead young man who couldn't tell his side of the story...

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@firefly,

Not all at the same time. That **** had been going on for a minute or so before GZ got tired of it and shot the stupid bastard. Funny how pistols usually trump martial arts skills...

Similar case:

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

Gunga claims that the soda and the skittles were "two of the three ingredients for purple drank" too. Of course Trayvon didn't have the active ingredient, the c0deine, without which they are just soda and candy.

Trayvon didn't make his Purple Drank with Codeine. He made his Purple Drank with "Poor Man's PCP".

And odds are that Trayvon had some "Poor Man's PCP" stashed somewhere all ready to add to his mix. He was also casing houses to break into after he had consumed his drugs.

MontereyJack wrote:

How many millions of people have a soda and candy on them at any one time? Probably 98% of teens at least every couple of days, especially after they've just been to a convenience store and are stocking up for the game on the tube.

Probably not very many get that exact combination of ingredients at the store.

And of those, how many post on line messages about getting high on Purple Drank made with "Poor Man's PCP"?

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

Codeine is a controlled substane, BillRM, you can't get it without a prescription and usually by signing a register as well. You can't "just pick some up later".

Trayvon was not making his Purple Drank with Codeine. He was making it with "Poor Man's PCP".

Odds are he already had his "Poor Man's PCP". But if not, he certainly could have picked some up later.

MontereyJack wrote:

It's just another conckamamie gunga theory, with NO factual basis.

No, as usual gungasnake is completely correct on all the facts.

MontereyJack wrote:

Codeine also is an opiate. It depresses the central nervous system and suppresses the cough reflex. It makes you lethargic, not homicidal.

True in a way. But if people become addicted to it, it can still cause criminal behavior.

But again, Trayvon was not mixing his Purple Drank with Codeine. He was mixing it with "Poor Man's PCP". And that is something that makes people very homicidal.

MontereyJack wrote:

gunga's ideas as usual fall flat on all counts.

No, as usual gungasnake is completely correct on all the facts.

MontereyJack wrote:

The soda was just a soda. The candy was just candy.

No, Trayvon was about to get high on "Poor Man's PCP" and then go break into other people's houses.

Mr. Zimmerman's vigilance in noticing Trayvon's criminal behavior could well have saved an entire family from being massacred that night.

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@BillRM,

Why does the chimp keep dragging me into it? In the UK BillRM wouldn't be allowed a spoon. He would need to be seen by a vet, deloused, and preferably spayed.

There's a nice spot of land in Dorset put aside for him.

http://www.weymouth-pictures.co.uk/links/pics/MonkeyWorld.jpg

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@oralloy,

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Mr. Zimmerman's vigilance in noticing Trayvon's criminal behavior could well have saved an entire family from being massacred that night.

The impression I have. And, given the demographics of that neighborhood, the family which was saved could easily have been black. One way or other, sooner or later, some innocent person or persons would have gotten hurt if Trayvon Martin had been left at large.

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A Closer Look:

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Friend of Martins is asked if he was surprised at the news of Martin being shot and killed. The friend replies:

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Not really...

Think about it...

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... mother describes him as an "average student" while the guy is failing everything and is never there....

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Obunga's Role:

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@firefly,

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Completely all right to have a gun if you have a cc permit. [The Bill of Rights says nothing about getting permission.
It simply disables government jurisdiction.]

firefly wrote:

Not if you're a psychologically unstable wannabe cop,
who the police turned down as being unsuitable,
who acts out his fantasies by stalking innocent black kids in his housing complex...

Firefly, there was nothing "innocent" about travon.
He was killed committing a felony upon the innocent and noble Zimmerman.

Your cartoon is inaccurate; he only had an anemic little 9mm Kel Tec automatic.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

"firefly" is mentally ill.

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@OmSigDAVID,

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he only had an anemic little 9mm Kel Tec automatic.

An only fired it once when all self defense training call for a double tap if you need to fire a gun at all.

Hardly a man out to killed anyone if he could avoided doing so.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

Well, you've come to the right place if you're looking for someone who will stick to the facts and not speculate.

Damn oralloy, it's a good thing you have the honor and integrity to not lie or speculate.

oralloy wrote:

And odds are that Trayvon had some "Poor Man's PCP" stashed somewhere all ready to add to his mix. He was also casing houses to break into after he had consumed his drugs.

By the way oralloy, I am still waiting for you to provide Martin's recipe which you must have since you don't lie or speculate.

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This whole "casing houses" meme is total bullshit and profiling at its worst. Oralloy and snaKKKe and all the other Zimmerman apologists should join the 21st century. What Trayvon was doing was absolutely typical behavior for what we KNOW he was actually doing: TALKING ON HIS CELLPHONE, and onl,y talking on his cellphone. If oralloy and snaKKKe had ever actually looked at people on their phones, if Zimmerman had ever looked at people on phones rather than immediately leaped to totally mistaken conclusions which led to his undeservedly killing Trayvon, they would know. I've seen enough people on phones to know. You walk slowly and erratically, you stop and stare at anything bright, or moving, you gesture as if you were holding a face-to-face conversation, you stop and stare at nothing, you stop and stare at something you have absolutely no interest in. You don't interact with someone who's actually there, tho you may stare at them fixedly. You talk to the empty air. If you have a Bluetooth headset, as Trayvon did, you don't have that telltale hand to your ear. In short, ten years ago, people would have thought you were crazy, you're "not behaving normally",
you're "casing houses". NO. You're on a cellphone. Your body is on autopilot while your brain is far away. That's why people push to ban cellphones in cars, because you're not fully in your car while you're talking. When you rearend someone it's because your brain was in Peoria and your body wasn't.

Trayvon was profiled and killed because he was on his phone, which oralloy and snaKKKe et al would realize if they ever paid any attention to the real world and the way people actually behave in 2012. Of course they'd rather live in their fantasies.

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